UPDATE: NHLPA votes for further negotiations on 24-team return to play format

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Corral

You are forgetting about a one time payment as consideration for Alberta agreeing to do this. We all know this is only about money so why wouldn’t Alberta get a cut of the revenue saved by this. It’s not just hotel rooms and food

Nope, didn't forget it. Mostly just didn't consider it. Is there a source for this?

I find it hard to believe that the NHL would pay local governments to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars 4 times over in order to re-coup advertisement money that won't even come close to that figure when it's all said and done.

[FurnaceFace]

So...based on the team reps, the potential locations are Winnipeg, Toronto/Ottawa, Philly, and greaseville? Some of those make sense. (As an aside, I’m impressed who Philly has all their major stadiums/arenas in one cluster. That took some planning.)

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by FurnaceFace

So...based on the team reps, the potential locations are Winnipeg, Toronto/Ottawa, Philly, and greaseville?

There is no good reason to think that the team reps have anything to do with potential locations. These are reps of the Players Association. While the PA will no doubt have some limited input on the locations for any proposed start-up, these decisions will by and large be made by the BoG, team and League officials.

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[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Corral

You are forgetting about a one time payment as consideration for Alberta agreeing to do this. We all know this is only about money so why wouldn’t Alberta get a cut of the revenue saved by this. It’s not just hotel rooms and food

Bahahahaha!!! Why on earth would you think that would be at all viable within the CBA let alone enough money to make it of any significance.

Like they're trying to recoup anything to salvage the season with no gate revenue and suddenly they're going to give more money than they're going to take in to "thank" the host cities? Like what on earth?

[getbak]

Unless something has changed, Winnipeg doesn't have enough 4/5 star hotel rooms to handle all the players and support staff for up to 8 teams.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by getbak

Unless something has changed, Winnipeg doesn't have enough 4/5 star hotel rooms to handle all the players and support staff for up to 8 teams.

Was there back in February, can confirm they do not.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Nope, didn't forget it. Mostly just didn't consider it. Is there a source for this?

I find it hard to believe that the NHL would pay local governments to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars 4 times over in order to re-coup advertisement money that won't even come close to that figure when it's all said and done.

You folks obviously don’t negotiate for a living.

When someone comes knocking with this sort of arrangement, you get a slice of the money in play or they can go somewhere else. I have no idea how much that would be, but it is a business that operates in huge dollars.

We could really use the money in this province. Things are going to be really really bad here going forward.

[Flamenspiel]

Lol, this is a pipe dream, it's not going to happen. Oh, and the city if Edmonton, they are such good negotiators, what was the arena deal? 80% government paid, yeh that will work out.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Corral

You folks obviously don’t negotiate for a living.

When someone comes knocking with this sort of arrangement, you get a slice of the money in play or they can go somewhere else. I have no idea how much that would be, but it is a business that operates in huge dollars.

We could really use the money in this province. Things are going to be really really bad here going forward.

The slice Alberta gets is the money spent here.

When you're starving and someone offers you a slice of pie you don't demand two pieces and risk getting none.

We need the NHL more than they need us right now.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

The slice Alberta gets is the money spent here.

When you're starving and someone offers you a slice of pie you don't demand two pieces and risk getting none.

We need the NHL more than they need us right now.

I doubt the nhl has very many feasible locations and the facilities in Edmonton are top notch.

[rhino]

Can I just ask.... why bother? So what if there is no Stanley Cup awarded this year? Games in empty arenas hold no interest for me. It would be a tv dud.

[browna]

Originally Posted by rhino

Can I just ask.... why bother? So what if there is no Stanley Cup awarded this year? Games in empty arenas hold no interest for me. It would be a tv dud.

Pure money. Contact obligations with broadcaster and sponsors for the season and playoffs. Those contracts aren't completed or fulfilled reasonably, then the league, teams and players don't get paid, certainly for the lucrative playoffs. Then the league, get a credit for next season, but that means then the league and teams and players are agian behind, revenue wise for next season.

And, there's a very good chance the league doesn't start up in October if they cancel this season or not, because of various cities worse then others, and the travel restrictions. Regardless, almost certainly there won't be full stands , so again negrrmind the gate revenue, the broadcast and sponsorship money won't be incoming either, and, as mentioned, will be working off the credit from this season, if it's cancelled.

League,teams and players will lose at least half a seasons worth of revenue if they cancel this year, as play next season I can see not starting until Christmas at least, if they want to have all cities involved and travel etc. So that then too could be a short season.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by rhino

Can I just ask.... why bother? So what if there is no Stanley Cup awarded this year? Games in empty arenas hold no interest for me. It would be a tv dud.

Odd. I watch the games to see hockey played by the league with the best hockey players in the world, not to see, say, the hushed folks at the Saddledome library

[Cali Panthers Fan]

It will be surreal when a goal is scored and the only cheers you hear are from the players themselves. I'm sure they will need the "bleep" button at the ready for all the curse words you would suddenly pick up as well. Probably have it on a ten second delay.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by rhino

Can I just ask.... why bother? So what if there is no Stanley Cup awarded this year? Games in empty arenas hold no interest for me. It would be a tv dud.

Why do you believe it would be a TV dud?

People who barely watch NFL held online draft parties they are so starved for sports.

If the NHL got out in front of the other sports leagues they could get a lot of new american viewers.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Why do you believe it would be a TV dud?

People who barely watch NFL held online draft parties they are so starved for sports.

If the NHL got out in front of the other sports leagues they could get a lot of new american viewers.

Yup.

The draft last week SMASHED all the records.....and again there were no games or anything, just a bunch of names getting announced.

According to information from the NFL, the average audience during the Round 1 of the draft was 15.6 million, which was a 37 percent increase over the average audience from last year's (11.4 million). More impressively, the viewership number was a 26 percent increase over the 2014 NFL Draft -- aka, the Johnny Manziel draft -- which produced an average audience of 12.4 million viewers that stood as the record until Thursday night. The average viewership was tallied based on the number of combined viewers from ABC, ESPN and NFL Network, which all televised the draft.

The viewership number for the draft peaked between 8:45 p.m. ET and 9 p.m. ET, when the Dolphins were on the clock. A total of 19.6 million people were watching when Miami decided to use their first first-round pick on Tua Tagovailoa.

But the main driver behind some unbelievable ratings was the NFL draft being the main event on the sports calendar in April. With most people staying at home due to the coronavirus pandemic, the second day of the NFL draft did numbers that other sports would love for big playoff games.

An average of 8.2 million viewers watched the second day of the draft across ABC, ESPN, NFL Network, ESPN Deportes and digital platforms. That’s a second-day record for NFL draft ratings. The first day also shattered a record, with an average of 15.6 million viewers.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-draft-s...215758662.html

[scotty2hotty]

If this flies ... the winner will always have an asterisk.

It will never be considered a true Stanley Cup, IMO.

I genuinely don't know if this is one I'd want to win.

[wretched34]

How does the NFL account for past years "Draft Parties"? Where the previous record of 12.4 million viewers, likely included thousands upon thousands of single view households with multiple viewers, or Bars/Pubs that held viewing parties with dozens to hundreds of viewers in a single location.
Of course this years numbers will appear to spike, as more households tune in, but with fewer viewers in many of those households.

I'm guessing if there is a Stanley Cup Final this year, or nearly any live sporting event, they will all surpass prior years viewing records, simply due to the fact that more people are tuning in alone, than in groups.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by scotty2hotty

If this flies ... the winner will always have an asterisk.

It will never be considered a true Stanley Cup, IMO.

I genuinely don't know if this is one I'd want to win.

Why? The NHL has not mentioned a "tournament style" format. They are shooting for a completion of the regular season and full play off. Also hosting in 4 cities does not mean there will be no travel. For a regular season completion it would involve team travel amongst chosen cities.

If they do partial completion of the season (their second option) one would think a modified tournament format to get al the teams to "X" number of games would happen followed by a complete playoff hosted by the 4 cities. Option 3 of just a playoff which is likely the most realistic expectation would have just 4 teams in each of the cities for two rounds. Sure you could put an asterisk beside the champion but who cares? '92, '95, '13 were all much short Er seasons and no one questioned those playoffs.

[zukes]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Why? The NHL has not mentioned a "tournament style" format. They are shooting for a completion of the regular season and full play off. Also hosting in 4 cities does not mean there will be no travel. For a regular season completion it would involve team travel amongst chosen cities.

If they do partial completion of the season (their second option) one would think a modified tournament format to get al the teams to "X" number of games would happen followed by a complete playoff hosted by the 4 cities. Option 3 of just a playoff which is likely the most realistic expectation would have just 4 teams in each of the cities for two rounds. Sure you could put an asterisk beside the champion but who cares? '92, '95, '13 were all much short Er seasons and no one questioned those playoffs.

Yeah, I really don't understand the asterisk people. If they play the full season, not having fans at the games doesn't change anything. Having a break in the season shouldn't either. When the NHL has gone to the Olympics there are no asterisks. When we had a lock-out shortened season there is no asterisk. When Carolina and Edmonton apparently played in the Stanley Cup finals there isn't an asterisk (though, really there should be).