Nova Scotia Active Shooter Dead

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Mickey76

No alerts is completely unacceptable . I hate to cast stones at the RCMP at a time like this or politicize at a all but we need to know who was responsible for alerts and I don’t think criminal charges are too extreme. My phone can go off half the night with Covid19 alerts, I would think an active shooter looking like an authentic RCMP officer would merit a mention.

This part obviously needs to be looked at and most likely will be overhauled, I can't bring myself to play the blame game just yet as quite possibly in small town Nova Scotia this wasn't a practice for the RCMP to prepare for as these alerts were designed for missing kids.

[Resolute 14]

Anniversary of the storming of the Waco compound as well. Between that and Oklahoma City it's pretty much a far-right national holiday. That said, it would be very dangerous to draw that as a conclusion without more evidence.

As far as the warning systems goes, definitely a big fail. But I think that was more an inertia thing than anything else. Officials have used Twitter as their go-to source for mass communication for years - and look at pretty much any mass shooting in the US. It's the same thing: twitter alerts. The SMS alert system is still new enough in Canada that it was likely still represented just a little to out of the box thinking for whomever would have had the capability to use it. Unfortunately, it is always so common that lessons such as this are learned in blood.

And yes, suggesting criminal charges for failing to utilize the system IS too extreme. Sorry Mickey76, but what you want isn't justice, but vengeance. And since you can't take it out on the killer, you're just flailing about for someone else to suffer in proxy.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

This part obviously needs to be looked at and most likely will be overhauled, I can't bring myself to play the blame game just yet as quite possibly in small town Nova Scotia this wasn't a practice for the RCMP to prepare for as these alerts were designed for missing kids.

Emergency staff had assembled in Halifax Saturday night to do whatever was needed, but the request for, nor the information needed in any alert was ever issued to them according to the premier. (i think it was the premier...was an interview just shown on Global).

So it sounds like the RCMP just got overwhelmed by everything that was happening all at once and the call never went out for an emergency alert that an active shooter was still roaming about.

[bigtmac19]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

This feels ideological to me for some reason.


It fell on the date of the Oklahoma bombings, and it mirrored a lot of aspects of the Norway Massacre back in I think 2011. Both act perpetrated by far Right wing ideological reasons.


Now I'm not saying its a right vs left extreme act yet we don't know. But I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they're going to find some interesting things on his computer, unless of course he scrubbed it.



There didn't feel like there was a lot of spontaneity to it, he planned this, he gathered what he needed, and it feels like he was waiting, and the opportunity hit.


There was a point being made.

At some point I wish psychology would explain to me the satisfaction someone gets from taking this many lives in such a calculated and horrific way, making people suffer, torture really if some of the stories are true, knowing they will die at their own hands or the hands of police. They don't stick around to bask in their own infamy.

What is the payoff?

[Erick Estrada]

I was reading an article showing pictures of the victims and it's so sad. A male/female murdering their ex and new partner out of jealousy isn't new but I don't understand why he would decide to take it a step further and murder a bunch of unrelated people and families. Such a shame a person could go to such a dark place.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by bigtmac19

At some point I wish psychology would explain to me the satisfaction someone gets from taking this many lives in such a calculated and horrific way, making people suffer, torture really if some of the stories are true, knowing they will die at their own hands or the hands of police. They don't stick around to bask in their own infamy.

What is the payoff?

I think the underlying motive is getting off on the feeling of control, combined with a person that doesn't feel empathy for others. Taking another person's life is the ultimate control move.

I think its hard for reasonably well adjusted people such as you or I to ever totally understand it... we developed empathy at some point in our lives, and our desire for control is usually satisfied in much smaller segments such as taking ownership for a work project, lol.

[edslunch]

It feels pointless to search for motive here, besides the common ex revenge aspect for a few of them. This guy seems so far gone in some sort of a cop/shooter fantasy that I don’t think there’s any statement being made or other rational explanation.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by bigtmac19

At some point I wish psychology would explain to me the satisfaction someone gets from taking this many lives in such a calculated and horrific way, making people suffer, torture really if some of the stories are true, knowing they will die at their own hands or the hands of police.

Sociopathy + rage.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Sociopathy + rage.

This very much has the same feeling as the Vegas shooter.

No real motivation ever known other than just wanting to kill as many as possible.

[Weitz]

The interview of the brother of one of the victims on CBC right now is chilling.

[Envitro]

This is a heinous crime, one which is unprecedented in Canada.

I don't know if understanding the motive helps people heal, but I think it's helpful from a "root cause analysis" perspective to see what can be done better in the future, either from a detection or prevention perspective, but at a minimum an incident response planning angle.

As an aside, the RCMP just confirmed that the assailant/mass murderer did NOT posses a Firearms PAL (Posession and Acquisition License), so he was not a legal gun owner that is monitored daily by the RCMP. He was also convicted of an assault back in 2002 (as best as I can recall), and was prohibited from owning any firearm or weapon.

[CaptainCrunch]

Yeah, so this goes towards illegal, smuggled fire arms.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Yeah, so this goes towards illegal, smuggled fire arms.

Sadly didn't stop Trudeau already from using this as an example to push his gun ban rhetoric

[Envitro]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Sadly didn't stop Trudeau already from using this as an example to push his gun ban rhetoric

Unfortunately anti-gun groups issued a formal statement on Monday morning to call for more gun bans, confiscations, and further legislation to prevent events like this, without even knowing any details, and the police still hadn't even identified all of the crime scenes yet, let alone the victims.

Grave dancing and political opportunism at its worst.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Envitro

Unfortunately anti-gun groups issued a formal statement on Monday morning to call for more gun bans, confiscations, and further legislation to prevent events like this, without even knowing any details, and the police still hadn't even identified all of the crime scenes yet, let alone the victims.

Grave dancing and political opportunism at its worst.

I really don't want to push this into a gun debate thread when I think the focus should still be on the victims, it's just so damn sad to see politicians use something like this to further their agenda when really what they're pushing for wouldn't have made a difference anyway.

[jayswin]

God I hate that this turns to a gun debate so quickly, but our worst enemy is having America as a neighbour. Any new gun restrictions are okay in my books as anything helps (I should note this excludes ****ty laws that cost taxpayers lots of money) and I don't really care about shooting guns as a hobby as any reason for gun "freedoms".

But man, we are so screwed in the future by being the US's neighbour.

[transplant99]

Hoooo boy. I feel so bad for all involved but man...had to be pure and utter stress being one of the on duty officers that day.

This is just not going to go well for any of them.

Nova Scotia's police watchdog says two RCMP officers opened fire at an Onslow, N.S., fire hall while a gunman was rampaging through the province Sunday — but the suspect was not in the area at the time.

Pat Curran, the interim director of the Serious Incident Response Team (SIRT), said Wednesday it was unclear what the officers were firing at after they pulled up outside the Onslow Belmont Fire Hall around 10:30 a.m. AT.

"At this point we don't know what they were shooting at," he said in an email.

The Onslow Belmont Fire Hall was being used at the time by the Emergency Management Office as a registration area for evacuees from the Portapique Beach area who had fled their community just hours earlier.

Joy McCabe, who lives next to the fire hall, said she looked out Sunday to see a police car pull up and two men dressed like police officers get out. They whipped out their guns and started firing in the direction of the building.

"I ducked down and I yelled at my husband to get down," said McCabe. "I am still scared."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...hall-1.5541302

Also at the bottom of this piece is a video of the gunman about 30 minutes before the shootout that ended his miserable life.

[transplant99]

Jeezuz murphy....just.......truly no words..

For four hours, Clinton Ellison lay quietly in the freezing woods and prayed the police would come to save him from a gunman ravaging the community of Portapique, N.S.

He had already seen his brother's dead body lying on the side of the road.

Hiding in the woods, he could hear gunshots all around him and popping from fires raging through nearby homes and cars.

"Something right out of a horror movie, worse than a horror movie," Ellison said Wednesday. "It's a nightmare through hell."

His brother and his father waited again. This time, there was no word. Clinton Ellison went out in search for his brother. He walked up the road, flashlight in hand.

"I could see a body laying on the side of the road, as I got closer I could see that it was my brother," he said.

"I got one more step closer and I could see blood, and he wasn't moving. I shut my flashlight off, I turned around and I ran for my life in the dark."

Moments later he turned back to the road. There was a flashlight moving around.

"I ran so hard into the woods. I laid there for at least about four hours hoping and praying that the police would come," he said.

Gunshots and explosions from the fires raged all around him. He didn't dare bring out his cellphone, he said, fearing the light would attract the shooter.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...ding-1.5541082

[bigtmac19]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Hoooo boy. I feel so bad for all involved but man...had to be pure and utter stress being one of the on duty officers that day.

This is just not going to go well for any of them.










https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...hall-1.5541302

Also at the bottom of this piece is a video of the gunman about 30 minutes before the shootout that ended his miserable life.

What a weird story! What on earth would they have been shooting at? Man something is very messed up here

[chedder]

Originally Posted by bigtmac19

What a weird story! What on earth would they have been shooting at? Man something is very messed up here

I sure hope the reason comes out because this is horrifying. A fire hall is universally seen as a safe place. I hope its not a case of over zealousness and inexperience. Scary.