Calgary flames won’t pay their hourly staff during Covid-19

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Split98

Well Flames, this is probably the screw-up you don't come back from. After years of mediocre hockey, I was hanging by a thread through the Gulutzan era. Loyalty, good memories and pride in the organization have kept me a fan through some terrible games - but no more.

The about-face is a PR move and I'm disgusted by their first actions. I'm glad to hear that they're doing the minimum possible to help employees, but I am ashamed in cheering for this team none-the-less. As was mentioned earlier, the true character reveals itself when you think you won't get caught - and I think they thought this would slide.


Whenever hockey returns, it better be damn good or I'm out. To leave fans with this taste in their mouth while the return of hockey is TBD? This is the memory I will carry with me until you're back on the ice, Flames - and it's a very poor one. As it stands today, I'm ashamed to have cheered for this team - and it's going to be a long uphill battle to win be back. For what it's worth Flames, you may have lost a life-time fan. Disgusting.

I will be keeping tabs of all the companies whose billionaire owners thought more of keeping in the green during an outbreak than what they can do for the employees that make them wealthy. I will avoid working with any company that reveals it's ugly-side in this. The world is going to be a lot different in the coming months, and a lot of unethical scumbags are going to be exposed and publicized finally. Calgary Flames, you're first up in my life.

It's time to open your wallets and stop looking at your stocks. We're all ####ed. Help out.

One thing with this franchise is that the players, arena staff, alumni, etc have always been first class, and great community members.

But ever since Doc Seaman, and Harley Hotchkiss have passed away the ownership group (and mostly Murray Edwards) have been jerks.

Personally I cheer for the players, and the city, but I don't thank the ownership group for anything.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

One thing with this franchise is that the players, arena staff, alumni, etc have always been first class, and great community members.



But ever since Doc Seaman, and Harley Hotchkiss have passed away the ownership group (and mostly Murray Edwards) have been jerks.



Personally I cheer for the players, and the city, but I don't thank the ownership group for anything.

Yeah, if hockey returns and I've decided against donning red I will be very sad. The fans and community are incredible too - I'm often glad Im not cheering with some groups...

Great group pillaged by greedy ownership. At some point, you have to draw the line as a fan and I feel this is it for me

[The Cobra]

I think people are getting a little too upset here.

Ownership was always going to do something, that was reported by some insiders right from the get go.

They just need a day or so to figure out was fair for those involved.

The Flames always spend to the cap and aren't making much money, if any. To categorize the owners as "greedy" is simply wrong.

It's everyone's right to "boycott" the Flames from here on out over this. But in reality, I'm betting that the amount of posters that actually follow through on this plan is not material.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think people are getting a little too upset here.

Ownership was always going to do something, that was reported by some insiders right from the get go.

They just need a day or so to figure out was fair for those involved.

The Flames always spend to the cap and aren't making much money, if any. To categorize the owners as "greedy" is simply wrong.

It's everyone's right to "boycott" the Flames from here on out over this. But in reality, I'm betting that the amount of posters that actually follow through on this plan is not material.

????

The decision-makers for a multi-million dollar corporation decided to screw over minimum-wage employees during a global pandemic because they thought they could get away with it. Only after a massive public outcry and a rallying call from kind-hearted people opening their wallets to those individuals did those decision-makers change course and do the bare effing minimum. Not because it was the right thing to do, but because the horrible PR would affect their profit margins.

I don’t understand how that isn’t something worth being upset about.

[FlamesAreOne]

The Dome is shutting down.

[Saqe]

I haven't followed this conversation at all but how many corporations generally are going to pay their employees if things go to shutdown mode?

[flamesrule_kipper34]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think people are getting a little too upset here.

Ownership was always going to do something, that was reported by some insiders right from the get go.

They just need a day or so to figure out was fair for those involved.

The Flames always spend to the cap and aren't making much money, if any. To categorize the owners as "greedy" is simply wrong.

It's everyone's right to "boycott" the Flames from here on out over this. But in reality, I'm betting that the amount of posters that actually follow through on this plan is not material.

Source?

I've only seen insiders break that the employees would be made whole, after the GoFundMe started. Not the get go.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

????

The decision-makers for a multi-million dollar corporation decided to screw over minimum-wage employees during a global pandemic because they thought they could get away with it. Only after a massive public outcry and a rallying call from kind-hearted people opening their wallets to those individuals did those decision-makers change course and do the bare effing minimum. Not because it was the right thing to do, but because the horrible PR would affect their profit margins.

I don’t understand how that isn’t something worth being upset about.

If your statement was correct, you'd be right, but it is 100% false.

The Flames were not pressured into doing anything.

[CSharp]

Not sure why some on this forum is getting upset over the organization not paying when there is no work to be done. I'm sure that the employees will be paid on schedule for the work that was already done.

Unless you're considered a full time employee, the other forms of paid work are part-time, seasonal, or contract. Any of those types of paid work means that there is no payment when there is no hours or service put in. Also, the federal gov't has already put in the budget to support workers who are laid off or suspended due to not workplace shutdowns. Unless if I'm wrong, do the hourly employees get paid when the Flames are out of the playoffs or during off-season as well when the Dome is closed?

[peter12]

I'm done with this team.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by peter12

I'm done with this team.

That will help the local workers

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think people are getting a little too upset here.

Ownership was always going to do something, that was reported by some insiders right from the get go.

They just need a day or so to figure out was fair for those involved.

The Flames always spend to the cap and aren't making much money, if any. To categorize the owners as "greedy" is simply wrong.

It's everyone's right to "boycott" the Flames from here on out over this. But in reality, I'm betting that the amount of posters that actually follow through on this plan is not material.

Especially Flash. No way he is disappearing.

[East Coast Flame]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think people are getting a little too upset here.

Ownership was always going to do something, that was reported by some insiders right from the get go.

They just need a day or so to figure out was fair for those involved.

The Flames always spend to the cap and aren't making much money, if any. To categorize the owners as "greedy" is simply wrong.

It's everyone's right to "boycott" the Flames from here on out over this. But in reality, I'm betting that the amount of posters that actually follow through on this plan is not material.

This is incorrect. The Flames emailed the staff saying they would not be paid during the stoppage. They only reversed course once they got shamed into doing so.

Source:

https://www.tsn.ca/flames-won-t-pay-...ance-1.1457367

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

This is incorrect. The Flames emailed the staff saying they would not be paid during the stoppage. They only reversed course once they got shamed into doing so.

Source:

https://www.tsn.ca/flames-won-t-pay-...ance-1.1457367

Official word like that is probably just making sure that no one assumes anything before the employer goes outside contract terms (it also gets rid of any false expectations). It doesn’t necessarily mean that the employer won’t do something voluntarily. I’m not saying that would have happened without pressure but they were probably getting queries form employees and had to make an official statement asap. If the policy isn’t created, you have to say “don’t expect anything” otherwise you are setting yourself up to be sued. Even if they said “we’re working on something” it sets you up if that falls through.

[dino7c]

lol Barca thanking all anti Flames posts (didn't hear from you much after the Canucks started dropping like a Stone)

You guys are so upset about what the Flames almost did to their workers and posting about it on your phones made in China.

[Barca]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

This is incorrect. The Flames emailed the staff saying they would not be paid during the stoppage. They only reversed course once they got shamed into doing so.

Source:

https://www.tsn.ca/flames-won-t-pay-...ance-1.1457367

Yeah I don't know why some here are pretending like they didn't get publicly shamed into doing it.

It took #calgaryshames to trend on Twitter and its own players to donate in a gofundme for them to reverse their decision.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

This is incorrect. The Flames emailed the staff saying they would not be paid during the stoppage. They only reversed course once they got shamed into doing so.

Source:

https://www.tsn.ca/flames-won-t-pay-...ance-1.1457367

Yeah. but at the same time all workers, hourly or part time, AFAIK, are eligible for EI because of these current situations.

I mean, if that wasn’t the case then fine, they should have been shamed into this.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ts-coronavirus

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Barca

Yeah I don't know why some here are pretending like they didn't get publicly shamed into doing it.

It took #calgaryshames to trend on Twitter and its own players to donate in a gofundme for them to reverse their decision.

Why don't you go troll a sens board if you are worried about workers, Flames are sorted

You stopped posting in February when the Canucks started losing only to come back now with an obvious motive

[nik-]

Are you guys really trying to shame people for not supporting a brutal organization as much as you think they should?

Such clowns.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Barca

Yeah I don't know why some here are pretending like they didn't get publicly shamed into doing it.

Probably because it's true.