Calgary flames won’t pay their hourly staff during Covid-19

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

With or without the tips? Either way it's in the millions

If they cover their part timers and then bridge the EI for the others that wouldn't be as bad for them and would buy a lot of goodwill.

[bettercallbettman]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Need to include the hitmen/roughnecks and any other events like concerts ect

I just glanced at the Domes page. I counted 8.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Dube

I just glanced at the Domes page. I counted 8.

it's just not that simple

[bettercallbettman]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Need to include the hitmen/roughnecks and any other events like concerts ect.plus the dome is open all day as well, security ect... it's more than counting events and assuming everyone makes minimum wage.

it's in the millions

Everyone but security does make min wage lol. It’s not in the millions.

[bettercallbettman]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

it's just not that simple

You’re out to lunch if you think there is 1600 people working Hitmen games.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Need to include the hitmen/roughnecks and any other events like concerts ect.plus the dome is open all day as well, security ect... it's more than counting events and assuming everyone makes minimum wage.

it's in the millions

Just the Flames games alone would be approaching 900k and the owners would only get about 400k of that back from the players.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Dube

You’re out to lunch if you think there is 1600 people working Hitmen games.

I never said at all. I said there were 1600+ part timers.

[bettercallbettman]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

I never said at all. I said there were 1600+ part timers.

And that’s who’s getting shafted lol. Every single one of them. If people weren’t scheduled for a shift, why should they get paid?

[Vansmack]

I honestly thought expenses (ie labour) would come out of the owners 50 or HRR. This would not effect the players contribution to escrow. The fact that HRR are going down simply means the players will get way less (or nothing) from escrow

[Muta]

Really interesting article about social distancing from the Washington Post:

Why outbreaks like coronavirus spread exponentially, and how to "flatten the curve"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ona-simulator/

[Mickey76]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

1600+

Wow I had no idea. Double what I would have guessed.

[Vansmack]

Just a question... Let's say the nhl does not resume play in 2020, how long should teams pay these employees? What is reasonable notice to terminate?

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Dube

And that’s who’s getting shafted lol. Every single one of them. If people weren’t scheduled for a shift, why should they get paid?

Never said anyone wasn't getting the shaft. Well the answer to your question is people don't get paid for a scheduled shift, they get paid for working a shift. People in the service industry get scheduled for shifts all the time and get called off and don't get paid.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Mickey76

Wow I had no idea. Double what I would have guessed.

It's based on the oilers numbers which is around 1650..could be less could be more.

[Elkyiv]

Did any of the owners pay arena staff during the lock out?

[bettercallbettman]

Originally Posted by Mickey76

Wow I had no idea. Double what I would have guessed.

Keep in mind as well, not all 1600 are scheduled... there’s 8 events remaining. People who were scheduled to work those events need to be paid, for sure.

Hitmen games can’t staff more than 600 people.... Roughnecks, probably under 1000.


Only workers who were scheduled to work, should be compensated.if you had the day off for the Islanders game why are they paying you ?

[bettercallbettman]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

It's based on the oilers numbers which is around 1650..could be less could be more.

What a great source you are

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

Did any of the owners pay arena staff during the lock out?

Only NHL games were cancelled though. Also, would staff for Flames games even have been scheduled in the first place during the lockout?

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Dube

there’s 8 events remaining

There is 15 remaining...but let's not let that get in the way of you trying to disprove my millions comment.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Just the Flames games alone would be approaching 900k and the owners would only get about 400k of that back from the players.

In this event I very much doubt the owners would get anything back from the players as the costs are not game related in nature... this would be discretionary from the point of view of the owners... so the wages would actually cost them more than they would in even normal circumstances.

BTW, I'm not saying anyone needs to light a candle at night for the owners, just helping guide the facts of the discussion.

I think the true number that this would cost could be decreased through some triggers based on EI eligibility, and maybe income level (ie. I know of some part timers who make a good full time wage outside of the part time CSEC positions who kind of do it for "fun money"... I'm not sure in the spirit in this event if it would be reasonable to expect remuneration from the Flames). I expect some of these considerations are why the initial stance was somewhat hard line in nature while they went back to the drawing board.

If they put in some triggers like that, and factored in the tax break from the decision to pay out some wages, the amount could become more palatable.

I think it should also be recognized that the minimum wage increase a few years ago was a significant hit to the bottom line of CSEC which was due to government policy. Now they enact their right to abide by the same government policy of leaning on EI to take care of the part time workers and are villified... ultimately even without March games they are paying their workers more in the 19-20 season then they were prior to the minimum wage hike... they are still a good supporter of minimum wage workers no matter how you slice it.

I still stand by an earlier statement that there is likely some behind the scenes analysis that has been going on since their initial statement and don't expect that it was meant to be a stand alone statement, they are just being careful in protecting their rights and spending time to do their due diligence before over promising.