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View Poll Results: If you could vote on Super Tuesday who would you vote for?
Joe Biden 35 16.43%
Michael Bloomberg 14 6.57%
Pete Buttigieg 18 8.45%
Amy Klobucher 9 4.23%
Bernie Sanders 102 47.89%
Elizabeth Warren 23 10.80%
Other 12 5.63%
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Old 03-09-2020, 01:52 PM   #2141
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This definitely seems to be the going propaganda viewpoint of Bernie.


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its weird I was thinking why does Bernie seem unlikeable and it came down to he points to much, they should strap his arms to his waist and he'd have a chance but his speech's are all him pointing and jabbing with one or both hands at the audience, it is body language 101
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Old 03-09-2020, 01:55 PM   #2142
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You seem to want to deliberately ignore all middle ground and focus on extremes. I have no idea why someone would need to work 40 hours a week to pay for rent and food while attending school that is covered.
how else do you pay for rent and food? you realise rent in a college town is expensive.
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Old 03-09-2020, 01:56 PM   #2143
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how else do you pay for rent and food? you realise rent in a college town is expensive.
Yeah, but not unaffordable. As I currently live in one, and could afford basic rent and food with a part time job.
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Old 03-09-2020, 02:09 PM   #2144
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That used to be the idea of the CGA and CMA didn’t it? Graduate high school, start working somewhere while working toward your designation in parallel.

All we added now was 4 extra years of school
This is my opinion being in industry but in accounting university has not caught up to the demands of the workforce. 30 years ago an accounting BComm could do almost everything and learn in the workforce.

But the work as gotten so complex now and the University has not. For examples in the areas of auditing, financial and business reporting.

So not only are there more degrees saturating the market, but less is learned in that 4 year program at a higher cost.
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I'm out of touch. There's a CPA in Canada now? Is there still a CA?
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Old 03-09-2020, 02:15 PM   #2146
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This is my opinion being in industry but in accounting university has not caught up to the demands of the workforce. 30 years ago an accounting BComm could do almost everything and learn in the workforce.

But the work as gotten so complex now and the University has not. For examples in the areas of auditing, financial and business reporting.

So not only are there more degrees saturating the market, but less is learned in that 4 year program at a higher cost.

well the problem is if you let any idiot like me in then you have to dumb the degree down in order to keep a reasonable pass rate.

Ironically I would be fine with free tuition if it was difficult to get into school, that was the UK in the 60's and 70's, both tuition and living expenses were paid but very few could get in.
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The problem with the government paying for tuition is they are going to start demanding the type of courses that are available and who gets those slots.


Things like business and engineering for example will be ones that the government would be willing to pay for. A degree in Eastern Philosophy or art history isn't going to have a return on investment and the government will demand less slots.
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Old 03-09-2020, 02:28 PM   #2148
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I'm out of touch. There's a CPA in Canada now? Is there still a CA?
It's all combined now in Alberta. CA, CMA, CGA is now CPA.
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WTF? So like $20 an hour or so?
If you don't have your CPA then a degree in accounting is not worth much. This is something that the "free college" crowd doesn't seem to understand. Once the market becomes saturated with college grads (which it already is) then it forces people to get their masters, or Phd or some other form of post college accreditation. The real value of post secondary higher learning is that it sets you apart from the field. When that is no longer the case, it is pretty useless.
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If you are poor, how do you survive for 2 or 4 years without income? how the eff does this give anyone an opportunity? you might as well mandate access to internships.
UBI, of course.
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If secondary education is free, they will just ration it like they do with medical care in Canada. Nothing is free, there is always a cost.
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Lol I'm sure this won't produce any "OK Boomers"

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its weird I was thinking why does Bernie seem unlikeable and it came down to he points to much, they should strap his arms to his waist and he'd have a chance but his speech's are all him pointing and jabbing with one or both hands at the audience, it is body language 101
I feel like in this discussion people fail to grasp that others might have different preferences for what they like in people

I know a lot of people to whom Bernie is likable exactly because he seems like a bit of an awkward old geezer. It's a huge part of why he strikes me as quite genuine where every other Democratic candidate strikes me as incredibly unlikable and fake. And old.

My god everyone in US politics is so old... I mean, the average age of our MEPs is more than a decade less than that of US congressmen or senators. Which is bizarre considering the average US citizen is actually 4 years younger than the average Finn. Our oldest MEP is the same age as Trump, and while he's well respected, he's also widely considered too old to be a relevant option for any significant seats anymore.

I get that the young in the US are estranged from establishment politics, but why aren't the middle-aged voting for their generation? Weirdoes.
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I get that the young in the US are estranged from establishment politics, but why aren't the middle-aged voting for their generation? Weirdoes.
It is awfully difficult to unseat the incumbent.
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If you don't have your CPA then a degree in accounting is not worth much. This is something that the "free college" crowd doesn't seem to understand. Once the market becomes saturated with college grads (which it already is) then it forces people to get their masters, or Phd or some other form of post college accreditation. The real value of post secondary higher learning is that it sets you apart from the field. When that is no longer the case, it is pretty useless.
Yep. Fifty per cent more people graduate with accounting/sociology/commerce degrees? Then employers can charge less for those new hires and be more selective about which they hire. So that means you need to get a masters or PhD to really stand out. Or your resume rises to the top of the stack of 200 because you have a family member who knows the boss. Which hardly benefits the working class and poor trying to break into the professional class.

As afc pointed out, you can keep the value of degrees high while making university cheap or free. But you have to severely restrict access by setting standards only 10-15 per cent of applicants can meet. Which educated middle class parents would not stand for.
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It is awfully difficult to unseat the incumbent.
Yeah but it's not like they get extra votes for being the incumbent. People still have to vote for them and not care that they're in their sixties and seventies.
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Yeah but it's not like they get extra votes for being the incumbent. People still have to vote for them and not care that they're in their sixties and seventies.
Money. Money to buy the ads and hire the campaigners.

AOC winning her primary in 2018 would be the greatest example of your question. Her opponent outspent her 3 million to 600k and she won easily.
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Old 03-09-2020, 05:14 PM   #2158
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So comrades, the best way to make free education happen, is for you to write an exam at 5 years of age, that will dictate what schools you go to and what universities you go to and what courses you have to take and what degree you get.



All Liberal Arts degrees shall henceforth be cancelled.



If you are in a certain career path again defined at the age of 5. If you get to university levels and there aren't any slots available. IE too many lawyers or doctors already. You shall be either re-assigned to the glorious Tracktor factor, or 3 years in military service, or we will replace your hands with various tools and you will work in the glorious labor brigade.


We will continue to research into things like sleep learning and flash education so that we can get the younger hatchlings er children into the labor force sooner. Education should be completed by no later then 10 years of age.
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Yeah but it's not like they get extra votes for being the incumbent. People still have to vote for them and not care that they're in their sixties and seventies.
well they do really, the US gerrymanders the districts meaning there is little pressure to change things
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I wonder if the fear of Coronavirus works into Bernie's favour tomorrow. Biden has more support in the older demographics but if they stay home in fear of the virus that could really tip the scales towards Bernie.
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