NHL projects salary cap to rise from $81.5mil to $84 mil-$88.2 mil

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by bax

That’s the thing. You can just exchange dollars for a #1 Center unless you draft one. The odds of another Tavares hitting the market (and actually willing to sign in Calgary) are slim to none. Rumor is Hall has Calgary on his list. Have to take elite talent when you can.

What elite talent? He had one good year!

[Weitz]

So we get to complain about increasing AAV's again? Yay!

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would use it to keep our core components like Gaudreau and Tkachuk. We don't need another LW, we need a good coach. The roster itself is pretty good. If I am forking out big dollars for a player it is going to be for an area of need, like a #1 C.

So basically your thought is to forgo the highest profile UFA, who we understand the Flames have interest in, and wait for some No 1 C unicorn to show up. Solid.

honestly, who do you think would be available this offseason? Going through each team the only one I see who might be is Ryan Johanssen. And that leads to a whole other set of questions.

Is he actually a No 1 C? On a cup contender? Is he an upgrade on Monahan? What is the cost to acquire him? Do the Flames have to send the cheaper, younger Monahan the other way? If so, are they better off? There are no clear answers here.

If you have another name, I'd love to hear it.

I was all for the Flames going after Hall, and still think they should, and they will, be in on signing him. As we have seen, many players throughout the NHL play on their off wing. This is not a deal breaker. Treliving' job is to improve the team, and signing Hall would do so.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TOfan

So basically your thought is to forgo the highest profile UFA, who we understand the Flames have interest in, and wait for some No 1 C unicorn to show up. Solid.

honestly, who do you think would be available this offseason? Going through each team the only one I see who might be is Ryan Johanssen. And that leads to a whole other set of questions.

Is he actually a No 1 C? On a cup contender? Is he an upgrade on Monahan? What is the cost to acquire him? Do the Flames have to send the cheaper, younger Monahan the other way? If so, are they better off? There are no clear answers here.

If you have another name, I'd love to hear it.

I was all for the Flames going after Hall, and still think they should, and they will, be in on signing him. As we have seen, many players throughout the NHL play on their off wing. This is not a deal breaker. Treliving' job is to improve the team, and signing Hall would do so.

So if there is not a #1 C out there you don't spend. We don't need another LW, especially an often injured inconsistent one. Just because a big name player is out there doesn't mean you need to buy, especially when it doesn't fit a need. That would just put us in cap jail for later.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What elite talent? He had one good year!

He's got a career 0.9 points per game average eith over 600 games under his belt.

Not many can say that, it puts him in pretty high end company.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He's got a career 0.9 points per game average eith over 600 games under his belt.

Not many can say that, it puts him in pretty high end company.

Not elite. That gets thrown around way to easily. We don't have an elite talent. Crosby is elite. Ovechkin is elite. McDavid is elite. Taylor Hall is not elite.

[djsFlames]

Any PPG player that has done it over an extended period falls under top line/elite.

There are 28 PPG players right now.

45 over 0.9 PPG if you want to go by Hall's career clip

Safe to call him a top player. "Derpy" or not.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Not elite. That gets thrown around way to easily. We don't have an elite talent. Crosby is elite. Ovechkin is elite. McDavid is elite. Taylor Hall is not elite.

Do the St. Louis Blues have an elite player? Has ROR had 'one good year'?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Not elite. That gets thrown around way to easily. We don't have an elite talent. Crosby is elite. Ovechkin is elite. McDavid is elite. Taylor Hall is not elite.

Call it what you want, I dont really care what your definition of elite is.

You said he had one good year, which is not true at all. He's produced offense at a well above average clip for basically his entire career.

[IliketoPuck]

And the best thing about him, is he only costs $. That's amazing.

Pay him, plug him in, and get a point per game, on average.

Players like him don't just hit the open market. When they do, it is just good asset management to attempt to acquire that player for cash.

[djsFlames]

Yup.

Utilize him in offensive situations, get the most out of what he brings you. He would not be asked to be the savior here, but the Flames could benefit greatly from adding those 60-90 points to their roster for merely cap.

You look into that add every time.

I mean if you were to ask what would bridge the Flames to taking that next step, it's likely: upgrade/improvement at C, another bonafide top 6 player, young D taking a step, Rittich figuring out how to put together a full season of good hockey.

He definitely solves your top six hole, so why not plug that for free? (Which makes Mangiapane emerging the icing on the cake)

[Bonded]

Age is the only thing that scares me about Hall

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yes, let's blow money on Hall. Not like we are not used to mediocrity. Why not just flush any hope of success down the toilet and be done with it?

Adding a high end piece to the core by using cap space is not something we can do in Calgary ever. I think this pushes the team forward and they clearly need that by taking yet another step back after taking 2 steps forward the previous year.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Call it what you want, I dont really care what your definition of elite is.

Sure, feel free to make up your own stuff then. Why would the actual definition of the word matter? Lol.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Age is the only thing that scares me about Hall

Yeah, term would have to be a max of 5 years for me. I could stomach 6 for a reasonable AAV.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Do the St. Louis Blues have an elite player? Has ROR had 'one good year'?

What a poor comparison. O Reilly is a 200 foot complete smart centre, Hall is an one dimensional dumb player that hurts his teams more then helps. It is absolutely clear many fans here are talking without actually watching Taylor Hall play. The NJ Devils are a disaster and their fans were ready to throw a party when he was dealt. The Coyotes have fallen like a stone since getting him. I described a play at the end of the game the other night that showed how Hall cost his team a chance to tie the game. Where were the Hall lovers? Nowhere, crickets. What good is an almost ppg player when he consistently costs his teams wins with dumb plays or he is injured again? He would become the biggest whipping boy in CP history within his first year. His contract will be ugly and by signing it you can kiss any cap space goodbye. THat would be so Calgary Flames to sign a garbage player like Hall and then lose Tkachuk because they can't afford him.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Yeah, term would have to be a max of 5 years for me. I could stomach 6 for a reasonable AAV.

Unfortunately Hall is going to get a 7 year deal which will be the price of shopping in the expensive bin. I don’t think he is chasing the highest AAV possible though. If he was doing that then he would probably take a 8 year deal from Arizona who will be desperate to keep him.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What a poor comparison. O Reilly is a 200 foot complete smart centre, Hall is an one dimensional dumb player that hurts his teams more then helps. It is absolutely clear many fans here are talking without actually watching Taylor Hall play. The NJ Devils are a disaster and their fans were ready to throw a party when he was dealt. The Coyotes have fallen like a stone since getting him. I described a play at the end of the game the other night that showed how Hall cost his team a chance to tie the game. Where were the Hall lovers? Nowhere, crickets. What good is an almost ppg player when he consistently costs his teams wins with dumb plays or he is injured again? He would become the biggest whipping boy in CP history within his first year. His contract will be ugly and by signing it you can kiss any cap space goodbye. THat would be so Calgary Flames to sign a garbage player like Hall and then lose Tkachuk because they can't afford him.

I'm not a big fan of Hall, and have mixed feelings about getting him "for free" but dear lord I hate the argument that is "you don't agree with me so clearly you haven't watched the player".

Two people can watch a player a lot and have completely different opinions.

Hell look at how you and I each feel about Johnny. Clearly both of us have watched him a ton - yet we have completely different views. Doesn't mean either of us hasn't watched him.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Sure, feel free to make up your own stuff then. Why would the actual definition of the word matter? Lol.

I didnt make anything up and I never called him elite, and nobody goes by an official definition anyways. They have their own opinion of what they actually think elite is and its usually different from the next guys opinion.

Again, you said he had one good season which isnt true. If it was true he wouldnt have a career 0.9 points per game average.

[Mike F]

Hall will be a much sought-after FA, with multiple offers.

I can't see him going to any team offering him the 3rd line LW spot.