[GDT] Flames vs. the Columbus Injured Team (6:30 PM on SN 360)

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Old Yeller

Also he loves dogs and has always been a real advocate for animal rights... that's alright in my books.

At the risk of invoking Godwin's Law, do you know who else liked dogs?

But seriously, if he advocates for animal rights that's a good thing.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I like Talbot an am happy he is starting tonight's game, but where is this myth about his pattern of "solid play" coming from?

Here are his numbers since the ASG:

28 Jan: 4GA OTL 0.882SP
1 Feb: 2GA L 0.905SP
6 Feb: 3GA L 0.914SP
13 Feb: 0GA W 1.000SP
15 Feb: 4GA L 0.692SP
17 Feb: 4GA W 0.867SP
21 Feb 4GA L 0.826SP
1 Mar: 0GA W 1.000SP

Talbot has been just okay. In my opinion, not perceptively much better than Rittich. It is good he is getting the start tonight and I hope he runs with it. But in the end neither of the Flames's goalie is making a particularly strong case to start in the playoffs right now. This is the month to make their mark.

Yeah I thought they might go to Rittich just since Talbot didn't fare well after his last shutout.

13 Feb: 0GA W 1.000SP
15 Feb: 4GA L 0.692SP

I'd actually love to look at how goalies across the league fare in the game after a shutout. I personally feel like they actually don't usually have a great game the game right after a shutout.

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah I thought they might go to Rittich just since Talbot didn't fare well after his last shutout.

13 Feb: 0GA W 1.000SP
15 Feb: 4GA L 0.692SP

I'd actually love to look at how goalies across the league fare in the game after a shutout. I personally feel like they actually don't usually have a great game the game right after a shutout.

Tristan Jarry pitched back to back SO's this season.

And Elvis in Columbus had back to back SO's twice including 5 SO's in 8 games.



Fleury has GAA's after his shutouts at .969, .939, .824, .926 & .765
Hellebuyck at .927, .964, .857, .583 & .864
Price at .941, .976, .855 & .882


Don't know how much that helps either way of that argument.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah I thought they might go to Rittich just since Talbot didn't fare well after his last shutout.

13 Feb: 0GA W 1.000SP
15 Feb: 4GA L 0.692SP

I'd actually love to look at how goalies across the league fare in the game after a shutout. I personally feel like they actually don't usually have a great game the game right after a shutout.

I don’t think it’s fair to include that as he went in as backup. It’s just not the same. “Be ready every game” ya ya, it’s not the same going in when the ice is already tilted your way.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I don’t think it’s fair to include that as he went in as backup. It’s just not the same. “Be ready every game” ya ya, it’s not the same going in when the ice is already tilted your way.

I just don't think it makes any difference. Both Rittich and Talbot have had very strong games and poor ones over the last few weeks.

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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I like Talbot an am happy he is starting tonight's game, but where is this myth about his pattern of "solid play" coming from?

Here are his numbers since the ASG:

28 Jan: 4GA OTL 0.882SP
1 Feb: 2GA L 0.905SP
6 Feb: 3GA L 0.914SP
13 Feb: 0GA W 1.000SP
15 Feb: 4GA L 0.692SP
17 Feb: 4GA W 0.867SP
21 Feb 4GA L 0.826SP
1 Mar: 0GA W 1.000SP

Talbot has been just okay. In my opinion, not perceptively much better than Rittich. It is good he is getting the start tonight and I hope he runs with it. But in the end neither of the Flames's goalie is making a particularly strong case to start in the playoffs right now. This is the month to make their mark.

Those stats are still better than Rittich's stats over the timeline as I feel there is a book in shooting blocker side on him right now. Plenty of pucks squeezing in on that side. I'm no Talbot fan as I'm of the opinion the organization should move on from him and try to find a solution for the starting role but I feel he's let in less soft goals over the year even if he makes less spectacular saves. I was hoping Rittich would grab onto the starting role this season after failing to unseat Smith last year but how many years can this organization give a guy? IMO Rittich has a higher ceiling but also a lower floor than Talbot and at the end of the day this goaltending situation is basically a re-run of Kidd/Tabaracci where the team had two guys that weren't good enough to seize the starting role.

[I_H8_Crawford]

666-0 BJs

[dissentowner]

I like Torts because he is entertaining but moreso because he called out the bs officiating in this league. More coaches need to take that fine to make the NHL wake the hell up and realize they have a serious issue that needs addressing.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I like Talbot an am happy he is starting tonight's game, but where is this myth about his pattern of "solid play" coming from?

Here are his numbers since the ASG:

28 Jan: 4GA OTL 0.882SP
1 Feb: 2GA L 0.905SP
6 Feb: 3GA L 0.914SP
13 Feb: 0GA W 1.000SP
15 Feb: 4GA L 0.692SP
17 Feb: 4GA W 0.867SP
21 Feb 4GA L 0.826SP
1 Mar: 0GA W 1.000SP

Talbot has been just okay. In my opinion, not perceptively much better than Rittich. It is good he is getting the start tonight and I hope he runs with it. But in the end neither of the Flames's goalie is making a particularly strong case to start in the playoffs right now. This is the month to make their mark.

Yeah people are guilty of overrating how good Talbot has been and overrating how bad Rittich has been. Talbot has let in some real stinkers in the past couple months.

It's interesting to see people continue to fixate on goaltending even though it's really been the least of our concerns this entire season. We've been getting good enough goaltending to be an elite team. We haven't played defense like an elite team though. We haven't competed consistently like an elite team. And yet some will continue to pretend goaltending is holding us back or Ward's goaltending decisions are somehow the make or break.

Rittich and Talbot have been good enough. The skaters have not been. Let's see who steps up at this important time of the year.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I just don't think it makes any difference. Both Rittich and Talbot have had very strong games and poor ones over the last few weeks.

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It does when the conversation is “how goalies in the NHL do after shutouts”.

[BigRed]

Needs to be a statement game, saying "WE'RE BACK." A depleted Columbis squad is the ideal target to give them the boost they need. Don't blow it, boys.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Those stats are still better than Rittich's stats over the timeline as I feel there is a book in shooting blocker side on him right now. Plenty of pucks squeezing in on that side...

That is your impression, and I am not convinced it would be borne out with data. I suspect more likely you are seeing what you are expecting to see. And yes, while Talbot has been a little bit better in fewer starts an against a lower quality of competition, it is certainly not enough of a difference to be an obvious decision right now moving forward.

I'm no Talbot fan as I'm of the opinion the organization should move on from him and try to find a solution for the starting role but I feel he's let in less soft goals over the year even if he makes less spectacular saves. I was hoping Rittich would grab onto the starting role this season after failing to unseat Smith last year but how many years can this organization give a guy?

Well, certainly more than three. Rittich is still young enough and with enough upside that he provides the Flames's best, most realistic chance of winning in the short term. He is playing in his second full NHL season, and his first as a starter. It is frustrating how this year has unfolded for the team, as this has played a big role in Rittich's trajectory. He is in the top-ten for mins, starts and shots allowed, and that is too much for a first-year starting goalie.

[Hemi-Cuda]

First home game after a road trip against an injury riddled team. Looks like a perfect formula for a disinterested Flames team and a loss

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

First home game after a road trip against an injury riddled team. Looks like a perfect formula for a disinterested Flames team and a loss

I think some of us would be more surprised if they win, rather than if they lose.

[dino7c]

Well somebody has to play goal...people will complain no matter who Ward starts.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well somebody has to play goal...people will complain no matter who Ward starts.

Complain? Or discuss the reasons why he should/shouldn’t? What the hell is the point of a message board?

[theslymonkey]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Complain? Or discuss the reasons why he should/shouldn’t? What the hell is the point of a message board?

Thats a long list. Arm-chair GM, Hysteria, Whine, Get offended, pump up Bennett, Oiler bash, correct grammar....

How much time to you got?

[Jason14h]

Talbot's saves % is 11th in the league while Rittich is 31st for goalies who have played 24 games (Talbot's amount)

Rittich's goaltending is not elite. It is not even above average on the whole.

I know people like him causes hes a god guy, entertaining, and 'kinda' homegrown, but the reality is he hasn't shown he is anything more then an average 1B goalie.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Talbot's saves % is 11th in the league while Rittich is 31st for goalies who have played 24 games (Talbot's amount)

Rittich's goaltending is not elite. It is not even above average on the whole.

I know people like him causes hes a god guy, entertaining, and 'kinda' homegrown, but the reality is he hasn't shown he is anything more then an average 1B goalie.

So far, yes. But given how well he has played earlier in the year and over the course of his NHL career it seems incredibly premature to write Rittich off at this point of the season. Successful goaltending in the playoffs is all about playing your best hockey at the right time. There is good reason to think that Rittich can still be that guy in April.

[Manhattanboy]

You have to agree that the music mash up of Torts - "Don't Push Me" - after the dust up with Hartley, is one of the best things on the internet.