[Trade] Flames trade Brandon Davidson to SJ for future considerations

[N-E-B]

Treliving getting roasted for trading an American leaguer for future considerations is hilarious.

This is an absolute nothing trade. Davidson isn’t an NHL defenseman. Relax.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Give up 4th for Forbort.

Get literally nothing for Davidson.

Asset management.

Forbort is an NHL defenseman. He was Doughty's partner last year.

Davidson (other than with the Oilers) is not an NHL defenseman.

Giving up a 4th to go from Davidson to Forbort sounds about right.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

This is my biggest problem with Treliving.

You're upset he gave away an AHL dman now instead of just letting him walk in the summer? I really don't see how this move could change anyone's opinion on this GM or this team. It's the definition of nothing for nothing. Who cares?

[Reggie Dunlop]

San Jose's AHL affiliate is in as sad shape as the parent team. The Barracuda is in last place by a considerable margin. They must need a warm body on the blue line to finish out the season.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm really struggling to find anything that differentiates Forbort from Davidson at all

Once the dmen are healthy it does seem like we dropped some draft picks for one of Fortier or Gustafson to sit in the press box and watch the game, unless they push Kylington and Anderson out of the lineup.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Hey Connor, It's Mess

Forbort is better than Davidson.

Davidson was going to the AHL otherwise.

Not really a big difference though is the point. Yellow smartie vs a green smartie. Both are meh.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Davidson was going to be an UFA anyway. Could've kept him Stockton.

Which SJ team though? Sharks or Baracuda?

Forbort is also a UFA

[Scroopy Noopers]

I’m telling myself he had a pick and Thornton involved here, but Thornton declined. That way, I can keep hating Thornton, and sleep tonight thinking Tre tried to add a forward.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by btimbit

You're upset he gave away an AHL dman now instead of just letting him walk in the summer? I really don't see how this move could change anyone's opinion on this GM or this team. It's the definition of nothing for nothing. Who cares?

I'm not upset. I just question the necessity of trading even a middling pick for somebody like Forbort whose counting stats have been nothing short of replacement level over the last four seasons. These types of players can be found on waivers dozens of times a year.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by camm13

Forbort is also a UFA

Bort's an NHLer though, Davidson isn't

[GioforPM]

I don't dislike Davidson - I thought he was solid. But you can't look at their stats and tell me he's as good as Forbert. Plus Forbert is huger.

[RyZ]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Once the dmen are healthy it does seem like we dropped some draft picks for one of Fortier or Gustafson to sit in the press box and watch the game, unless they push Kylington and Anderson out of the lineup.

Gastafson has played 20+ mins and lead the Blackhawks D in points in each of the past 2 seasons. He is not a popcorn muncher and is a large upgrade on Kylington. He will play in the top 4 for the Flames for the remainder of the season and in whichever org he ends up in for the forseeable future.

[OmegaV4]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Bort's an NHLer though, Davidson isn't

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm not upset. I just question the necessity of trading even a middling pick for somebody like Forbort whose counting stats have been nothing short of replacement level over the last four seasons. These types of players can be found on waivers dozens of times a year.

He's a high teen point getter. Way more than Stone in the last 4, for example (and they are close in age). And way more than any D on waivers that I can remember. But I don't think his counting stats are what's important.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Gastafson has played 20+ mins and lead the Blackhawks D in points in each of the past 2 seasons. He is not a popcorn muncher and is a large upgrade on Kylington. He will play in the top 4 for the Flames for the remainder of the season and in whichever org he ends up in for the forseeable future.

Hard to see him pushing Giordano, Brodie, Hamonic or Hanifin out of the top 4 once everyone is healthy. Maybe he pushes Kylington out, but in any event assuming Hamonic comes back this year it seems unlikely that both he and Forbort are in the lineup at the same time with a healthy lineup.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm not upset. I just question the necessity of trading even a middling pick for somebody like Forbort whose counting stats have been nothing short of replacement level over the last four seasons. These types of players can be found on waivers dozens of times a year.

Forbert is way better than waiver fodder. This isn't a Fantenberg/Schlemko type

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Hard to see him pushing Giordano, Brodie, Hamonic or Hanifin out of the top 4 once everyone is healthy. Maybe he pushes Kylington out, but in any event assuming Hamonic comes back this year it seems unlikely that both he and Forbort are in the lineup at the same time with a healthy lineup.

Hamonic is pretty unlikely to come back IMO.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Forbert is way better than waiver fodder. This isn't a Fantenberg/Schlemko type

No he isn't.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Karl

No he isn't.

Show me a D who's hit waivers who is better.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm not upset. I just question the necessity of trading even a middling pick for somebody like Forbort whose counting stats have been nothing short of replacement level over the last four seasons. These types of players can be found on waivers dozens of times a year.

I'm an advanced stats fan, but I do wonder about it's ability to really gauge defensive d-men and truly adjust for competition and zone starts.

The Point Hockey had some interesting Forbort stats on twitter for last season.

EV DZ Outlet Passes - 10.1 per game (7th in the league)
EV DZ Puck Battles Won - 2.2 per game (15th in the league)
EV DZ Stick Checks - 1.5 per game (7th in the league)

Now I know you need to be careful with micro-stats like these but those all feel like areas that the Flames need help in.

Plus I think the value is fine. Here are two L.A Kings D-men at 5v5 over the last three seasons:

Player A:

TOI: 3121
CF%: 48.0%
HDCF%: 47.5%
xGF%: 46.8%
Zone Starts: 48.1%
Goals: 12
Points: 30

Player B:
TOI: 3020
CF%: 48.4%
HDCF%: 47.3%
xGF%: 46.7%
Zone Starts: 45.4%
Goals: 3
Points: 31

Player A is Alec Martinez and cost the Knights two second round picks. Player B is Derek Forbort and he cost the Flames a 4th.

He's not going to be a gamebreaker, but it's not bad value.