[Rumour] Flames have shown interest in Tyson Barrie. Discussed Brodie for Barrie 1 for 1

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Exactly.

Picks are currency like anything else. Particularly as the draft nears and that is clearly where BT prefers to make his changes.

Im not advocating trading Brodie just for giggles, but as part of a longer term approach when by all appearances Brodie isnt returning to Calgary next season

Then again BT has the habit of surprising when it comes to signings and maybe he does get something done and can announce it after the deadline.

Yeah who knows exactly what is going on. From the outside looking in right now, it seems somewhat directionless.

If you believe wholesale changes are required in the summer, I have no idea why you wouldn’t want to start now with a hot seller’s market.

If you believe the team just needs to be tweaked a little, then I understand hanging on to your expiring guys I guess.

I really wish circumstances were different right now but the organization has kind of done it to themselves.

[Rando]

Not being a laughing stock shouldn't be the high bar. Okay, congratulations, we're not Edmonton. Now what?

Some of you need to forget the Oilers exist. It's bordering on obsessive.

[JBR]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ask anyone outside of Edmonton which team is the laughing stock of pro sports over the past decade. I am pretty sure I will like the answer.

Decade? You’re being generous.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Rando

Not being a laughing stock shouldn't be the high bar. Okay, congratulations, we're not Edmonton. Now what?

Some of you need to forget the Oilers exist. It's bordering on obsessive.

Bordering is being kind Rando.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yes, you have to have long term vision. That means not dealing Brodie for magic beans in a playoff race. Because if you do and we miss you can kiss a guy like Tkachuk goodbye. Do you think he is wanting to play here if the GM sabotages the season? You might as well trade him this offseason.

Tkachuk is here long term. He might be one of the only untouchables on this team. You don't think he understands how pending UFAs or assets work?

Like most of us, he understands this team needs tinkering to become a legit contender. Frolik was one of his favorite people on the team, his line mate that helped him have success as he came into the league. Has he sulked since that move was made?

Pretty big stretch that having to trade a pending UFA to get some assets is going to make us have to basically trade a disgruntled Matthew Tkachuk this off season.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yeah who knows exactly what is going on. From the outside looking in right now, it seems somewhat directionless.

If you believe wholesale changes are required in the summer, I have no idea why you wouldn’t want to start now with a hot seller’s market.

If you believe the team just needs to be tweaked a little, then I understand hanging on to your expiring guys I guess.

I really wish circumstances were different right now but the organization has kind of done it to themselves.

They have absolutely done it to themselves.

They went into this season with 2 of their top 4 defenders as pending UFAs. One of those guys has missed 10 or more games in 7 of his 10 career seasons, specifically because of the way he plays hockey. The other guy will be chasing is big UFA payday that the Flames can't really afford if they hope to address up front scoring.

So, going into this year, everyone on this message board knew that the Flames would have to deal at least one of those guys.

And now it's February and neither guy has been dealt and the guy who consistently gets injured is injured...

I'm an idiot at a keyboard, this isn't rocket science.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Frolik was one of his favorite people on the team, his line mate that helped him have success as he came into the league. Has he sulked since that move was made?

That's a little different. Frolik obviously hasn't been happy since his agent complained about his ice-time last season. You want your friends to be happy and if that means them moving onto another team you understand it.

Every player wants to play in the playoffs whether they think their team has a legit shot at the cup or not. If my GM decided to give up while we still had a good chance of getting in I would be pissed.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

They have absolutely done it to themselves.

They went into this season with 2 of their top 4 defenders as pending UFAs. One of those guys has missed 10 or more games in 7 of his 10 career seasons, specifically because of the way he plays hockey. The other guy will be chasing is big UFA payday that the Flames can't really afford if they hope to address up front scoring.

So, going into this year, everyone on this message board knew that the Flames would have to deal at least one of those guys.

And now it's February and neither guy has been dealt and the guy who consistently gets injured is injured...

I'm an idiot at a keyboard, this isn't rocket science.

Clearly the process was losing both of them for nothing and recouping no assets for either of them. We have to trust the process. What would you rather have, a GM who is reactionary and makes moves based on the standings and the likelihood of his team contending for the Stanley Cup? What will the players think if he just gives up on a 10th place team? Fans need to think these things through, thankfully there is a management team trying to build a winner for the next 5-10 years and is not just focused on the next 20 games. Do you think that Tkachuk will just forget what happened at this trade deadline in 40 months when he is a UFA? Fat chance, a trade for the future now will literally destroy this franchise. I am old enough to remember when the Bruins blew up their team in 2015 and missed the playoffs in 2016. Their veterans never forgave the franchise for what Sweeney did.

[Bourque's Twin]

That Hamonic trade was so bad. Now we’ll lose him for nothing. Gross.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Inferno

That's a little different. Frolik obviously hasn't been happy since his agent complained about his ice-time last season. You want your friends to be happy and if that means them moving onto another team you understand it.

Every player wants to play in the playoffs whether they think their team has a legit shot at the cup or not. If my GM decided to give up while we still had a good chance of getting in I would be pissed.

These guys also understand that this is a business too. They know very well that Brodie is not likely with the team next year. So will a guy like Tkachuck be angry that his 10th place team made a short sighted move to keep a guy to try and sneak into the playoffs rather than try to find him an upgraded linemate for the next two seasons?

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Clearly the process was losing both of them for nothing and recouping no assets for either of them. We have to trust the process. What would you rather have, a GM who is reactionary and makes moves based on the standings and the likelihood of his team contending for the Stanley Cup? What will the players think if he just gives up on a 10th place team? Fans need to think these things through, thankfully there is a management team trying to build a winner for the next 5-10 years and is not just focused on the next 20 games. Do you think that Tkachuk will just forget what happened at this trade deadline in 40 months when he is a UFA? Fat chance, a trade for the future now will literally destroy this franchise. I am old enough to remember when the Bruins blew up their team in 2015 and missed the playoffs in 2016. Their veterans never forgave the franchise for what Sweeney did.

was it though?

from all accounts Brodie was a Kadri 'ok' from being traded. Treliving has been trying to make the team better, and that includes exploring trading players like Brodie.

As UFAs, it makes sense to consider them as "own rentals", but only if your team is actually in the playoffs... the way this has been treading, that is hardly a certainty.

One caveat however; the Flames could keep both, in hopes of making the playoffs, but still trade them to get some assets prior to July 1st... the risk is that teams could try to lowball offers knowing that the window that calgary has is short and the urgency of overpaying in order to make a playoff run is no longer part of the calculus

[Calgary4LIfe]

The Oilers - they are experiencing some success right now because they hired a really good coach that knows how to get a team to buy-in and play hard. They are a top-end team with no depth to speak of. How are they winning? They play hard, the work together, and they are making a miracle happen out of that wasteland of a line-up.


Calgary has the depth, the defencemen, the better goaltending, and still has what should be a very skilled top end line. They are losing. Sure, injuries hurt, but it happens to every team and you either band together and push through it, or you unravel and lose. It is up to the team.


I don't see selling as pulling the rug from under the team. This team has pulled the rug out on itself already. If I am Treliving, I am looking at the standings, seeing the team I built out of the playoffs, and I am going to make the moves that I think are necessary for the long-term success of this team. With how inconsistent they are playing, I wouldn't trust them in a series against any Pacific team they might end up facing.


If the best move is to sell some players to free up cap space, add some good draft picks/trade currency, then that is what I would do. If it is player-for-player trades that I think would help my team, than so be it.


The only thing I wouldn't be doing is trading away draft picks to prop this team up. Standing pat is going to hurt to, as it at least seems like the Flames are going to be losing Brodie, and that is going to be some big shoes to fill, never-mind expensive in cap and assets.



This is going to be the most interesting deadlines for the Flames since the 2012-13 deadline. Are the Flames sellers? Are they using the deadline to help adjust the roster for the next season? Are they buyers? Are they standing pat and doing nothing?



I really don't know the answer to that. I see a team that is floundering in the standings right now that is out of the playoffs and having to rely on other teams losing in order to get in.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

These guys also understand that this is a business too. They know very well that Brodie is not likely with the team next year. So will a guy like Tkachuck be angry that his 10th place team made a short sighted move to keep a guy to try and sneak into the playoffs rather than try to find him an upgraded linemate for the next two seasons?

That's all fine if you make another deal to replace Brodie with someone just as good with term.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

These guys also understand that this is a business too. They know very well that Brodie is not likely with the team next year. So will a guy like Tkachuck be angry that his 10th place team made a short sighted move to keep a guy to try and sneak into the playoffs rather than try to find him an upgraded linemate for the next two seasons?

It might be a business, but they can't win a Cup if they don't make the playoffs. Playoff hockey is what any competitive player lives for and if you throw that away you aren't going to have players wanting to play here. They will get not wasting picks to add when you are on the bubble, but they won't understand (and/or will hate) dealing a top pair defenseman when you are 6 points out of 1st with a game in hand.

Hopefully the organization doesn't have the same loser mentality as the fans.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

It might be a business, but they can't win a Cup if they don't make the playoffs. Playoff hockey is what any competitive player lives for and if you throw that away you aren't going to have players wanting to play here. They will get not wasting picks to add when you are on the bubble, but they won't understand (and/or will hate) dealing a top pair defenseman when you are 6 points out of 1st with a game in hand.

Hopefully the organization doesn't have the same loser mentality as the fans.

The Flames are 7 points out of first with a game in hand. They lose the tiebreaker, so even if they made up those 6 points they would not finish in first.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

It might be a business, but they can't win a Cup if they don't make the playoffs. Playoff hockey is what any competitive player lives for and if you throw that away you aren't going to have players wanting to play here. They will get not wasting picks to add when you are on the bubble, but they won't understand (and/or will hate) dealing a top pair defenseman when you are 6 points out of 1st with a game in hand.

Hopefully the organization doesn't have the same loser mentality as the fans.

Loser mentality? Lmao. This years team fostered and nurtured that mentality with their bi polar play. They are the embodiment of that mentality this year.

Heaven forbid fans see writing on the wall and want to see the team focus on getting stronger for next year and onward.

I think anyone postulating doing nothing or desperately going all in at the deadline are the weird ones. Why waste draft picks or not acquire any based on a hunch that a team you simply dont know what you're going to get consistently night after night can make anything happen in the post season.

I think if they went all in and squandered the future on 1 round the fan base and ownership would lose their minds. So now you got nothing this year and next year and possibly the year after to show for it. That's the loser mentality I hate.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Hopefully the organization doesn't have the same loser mentality as the fans.

I would see it as longer term strategic planning.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I would see it as longer term strategic planning.

Asset management as well.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

It might be a business, but they can't win a Cup if they don't make the playoffs. Playoff hockey is what any competitive player lives for and if you throw that away you aren't going to have players wanting to play here. They will get not wasting picks to add when you are on the bubble, but they won't understand (and/or will hate) dealing a top pair defenseman when you are 6 points out of 1st with a game in hand.

Hopefully the organization doesn't have the same loser mentality as the fans.

Its about being smart and having a team that can still be competitive in five years.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Its about being smart and having a team that can still be competitive in five years.

I actually see it as having a more competitive team next season and beyond. The current group to me is not measuring up.