[PGT] Broons 4 Flams 3

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Hopefully just one.

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[Saint Troy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames allowed almost nothing in the final two periods...some of the comments here are embarassing. Efforts like that are not why the Flames are in the position they are in. That effort wins most nights IMO...Bruins are a great team, got a couple breaks, and won by one goal. The loss stings because of other games the Flames have pissed away.

I can read fine, this is your take that the Flames effort tonight was good enough, despite the fact they were up 3-1, and ended up being outshot while trailing early in the second. I have higher expectations, if you don’t, whatever...

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Why?

Hartley, Gully, Peters, and now Ward.

A cup champ, young and fresh, a hardass, a career coach.

What’s been missing that gets fixed in the bench?

A cup champ back when two line pass was a thing keeping him from strwtch pass insanity.

Young and fresh who had failed miserably in his last stop as a HC and then apprenticed under a pair of coaches who failed miserably themselves in his previous stop

a hardass whose team accomplished nothing in the four years he was there, and then went to the WCF the very next year

a career ASSISTANT coach who has no idea what he's doing as a head coach.

Hartley was the best coach of the four and he hasn't even been able to get a new job.

Gulutzan wasn't even regarded as a top up and comer coach. You look at guys like Sheldon Keefe and Jared Bednar and they were legitimate top coaching prospects. I don't even know how Gully got the job. Actually I do - because he gave a good powerpoint presentation.

Ward was literally the guy who was the runner up to Gully in Tre's own failure of a coaching search.

And Peters will never coach in the NHL again.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by timbit

You seem to be certain about who the wrong coaches for these players have been.



Who is the right “quality head coach” ...and why?

I don't know enough to say one way or the other. But this group of players has shown that they are better than how they are currently playing, and there has been a noticeable change in how they defend and transition the puck out of their zone from last season.

Thankfully, I'm not the one whose job it is to fix it.

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[Dion]

Originally Posted by dino7c

People who predicted they would get destroyed in the gameday now losing their minds about a one goal loss in the PGT

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

I can read fine, this is your take that the Flames effort tonight was good enough, despite the fact they were up 3-1, and ended up being outshot while trailing early in the second. I have higher expectations, if you don’t, whatever...

Are you a 13 year old girl?

Condescending comment followed by:

All good, fine, whatever

This game was a coin toss again the top team...it was. Losses to Kings, Sens, Habs, ect. are the reason they are fighting for their lives. No point in getting all mad about this one. Play like that against Detroit and you win.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

A cup champ back when two line pass was a thing keeping him from strwtch pass insanity.

Young and fresh who had failed miserably in his last stop as a HC and then apprenticed under a pair of coaches who failed miserably themselves in his previous stop

a hardass whose team accomplished nothing in the four years he was there, and then went to the WCF the very next year

a career ASSISTANT coach who has no idea what he's doing as a head coach.

Hartley was the best coach of the four and he hasn't even been able to get a new job.

Gulutzan wasn't even regarded as a top up and comer coach. You look at guys like Sheldon Keefe and Jared Bednar and they were legitimate top coaching prospects. I don't even know how Gully got the job.

Ward was literally the guy who was the runner up to Gully in Tre's own failute of a coaching search.

And Peters will never coach in the NHL again.

I’ll pose the same question presented to Textcritic.

Who is the right “quality head coach” for these players ...and why?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

I can read fine, this is your take that the Flames effort tonight was good enough, despite the fact they were up 3-1, and ended up being outshot while trailing early in the second. I have higher expectations, if you don’t, whatever...

A couple of the Bruins goals were an indirect result of lucky bounces off a d man then ending up on a Bruins stick for a goal.

[dino7c]

Flames aren't making two coaching changes in one season...we might as well save that talk for the summer

[flamingred89]

Originally Posted by BigRed

Sure. But this is supposed to be fun. I know losing isn't fun, but that was an enjoyable game and a more than respectable effort against a team we're overmatched against. Neither you nor I can do a thing about what happens on the ice, and lord know there have been some brutal games this year. This wasn't one of them.

Cool man. Enjoy hanging that participation ribbon. Because the Flames have been the team that “overmatches” opponents lately and lost them. Senators, Canadiens, and Kings come to mind.

I love watching the Flames, and always will. But I’m also going to be critical at times. And that’s allowed. I know CP can be all negative nelly but it’s equally frustrating when folks are all positive Pauly after tough losses.

[Saint Troy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Are you a 13 year old girl?

Condescending comment followed by:

All good, fine, whatever

This game was a coin toss again the top team...it was. Losses to Kings, Sens, Habs, ect. are the reason they are fighting for their lives. No point in getting all mad about this one. Play like that against Detroit and you win.

13 year old? Well my 16 year old daughter would likely tell you to grow a thicker skin, when you get called out for spouting nonsense.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Dion

If we get a good player in return we won't care. Sometimes a change of scenery is needed for a player. Plus if that player becomes a better fit with the core, we win!

Unless we get a superstar center in return doubt I'll like the deal.

[blender]

Another disappointing loss.
Confidence is a key part of the game, and it seems obvious that with 2 of their best defensemen out The Flames are struggling. I think it explains the appearance of lack of effort and the faulty execution. They are hesitating, not fully confident and committed and it manifests as if they forgot how to do the simple things.

That said, Boston can spot you a two-goal lead and beat you. Impressive team. Flames need what, 13 wins to secure a playoff spot? Get one in Detroit and its 12.
Hang in there til Gio's back and hopefully find that confidence.

I think we all know there will be a different look next season. Amidst the frustration I've enjoyed some really good times with this group of players. I hope they find a way to have a bit of a run.

[Flamenspiel]

That “participation ribbon” comment is dumb. We are Flames fans, and our attitude has no effect on the game, all fans should get a “participation ribbon”. I agree that it was an enjoyable game. They were a goal better with our top 2 out.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Are you a 13 year old girl?

Condescending comment followed by:

All good, fine, whatever

This game was a coin toss again the top team...it was. Losses to Kings, Sens, Habs, ect. are the reason they are fighting for their lives. No point in getting all mad about this one. Play like that against Detroit and you win.

Nothing at all wrong with being a 13 year old girl mate.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by timbit

I’ll pose the same question presented to Textcritic.

Who is the right “quality head coach” for these players ...and why?

Among the experienced coaches, Peter Laviolette. He's been in the cup final in the last five years. he has a stanley cup. his teams have consistently been top performers in terms of underlying metrics. His teams are consistently top performers in terms of scoring from the backend.

If this team fails under Laviolette then it needs to be blown up.

Among the prospect coaches, if we elected to go that route, then Rocky Thompson appears to be the top prospect. Somrthing Gulutzan was not. I'm not sure we have the margin for a new coach to learn on the fly though. Even Bednar needed a year to adjust to the NHL.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames aren't making two coaching changes in one season...we might as well save that talk for the summer

You are probably right. However, there are some strong coaching candidates available right now. I am not even considering them as 'season saviours', but it wouldn't be the worst move to go with someone more proven and have that first-hand intimate knowledge of the team before now and the last game they play for the season (including playoffs, if they end up making it).


Why? Perhaps that coach can get a better feel for which players slot better in his line-up, can start figuring out a better system to use the existing strengths of this team, and provide feedback to Treliving on who he really wants to keep on the roster, and who he sees as more expendable to use as assets to upgrade/patch-up the roster.


I don't think it will happen either, but if I am a GM and I have made two poor coaching decisions in a row with an associate coach who I felt wasn't even as good of a candidate as one of the poor coaches I have hired...



Getting the right coach for your team isn't easy. Darryl Sutter was horrible at it. Treliving seems horrible at it too. I think it cost Darryl his GM position in the end, and I think it will end up costing Treliving his position as well.


Like I said, I don't think it will happen either, but I think it is probably a good gamble to take at this moment to try and get more consistency out of this core for the rest of the season, but I do think it would help get this team out of the gate quicker next year (rather than trying to learn a brand new system) and hopefully providing Brad with a better 'pulse' on the roster and what moves he needs to make in the off-season.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

You are probably right. However, there are some strong coaching candidates available right now. I am not even considering them as 'season saviours', but it wouldn't be the worst move to go with someone more proven and have that first-hand intimate knowledge of the team before now and the last game they play for the season (including playoffs, if they end up making it)...

I am of the belief that at least two of the top coaching candidates presently out of work (Laviolette and Gallant) are not actually available until the end of the season.

[timbit]

Owners will promote and in some rare cases insist on coaching /player changes if they believe it will reasonably give them a better shot at a playoff spot.

The playoff net revenues would shock many.

How else do you explain the coaching changes in Nashville, Las Vegas, San Jose etc. ?

[ComixZone]

Pat Steinberg
@Fan960Steinberg
Pleasantly surprised watching Bennett back at centre of late, he’s made a difference.

In three games since moving to the middle, Bennett 54.7% possession 5v5, 61.3% in the faceoff dot.

Individually: 7 shots, 11 attempts, 5 high danger chances per
@NatStatTrick
. #Flames

Bennett has been really good since the all-star break. Exciting to think he and Dube could form another duo for us.