I understand but don't understand why some are pining to bring back Darryl, and I'm a huge Darryl fan. It seems like every time a coach thread comes up at least a couple people mention him. But this 2020 team is like the polar opposite of the last Flames team he coached.
Iggy, Reg, Kipper, and bunch of castoffs playing the left-wing lock and smashing teams into submission while playing to win 1-0 was freaking awesome, and Darryl was the perfect coach for that style. His LA teams were big, heavy teams as well. What exactly would he bring to the table with a roster of under-sized skilled speedsters?
I wish the Flames could get Torts.
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But I wouldn't mind Torts, teams seem to rally around him despite being a demanding coach. The players poll was amusingly reflective of this, he was among the top votes in both the "coaches who you want to play for" and "coaches you want to avoid".
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Torts is one of the best coaches in the game hands down. I feel he would be the perfect coach for this team as he seems to do the hard love thing better than anyone else and the core of this team really needs a firm guy that they respect at the end of the day. Guys like Hartley and Peters were effective for a short while but it seems they lacked whatever redeeming quality Torts has that players don't seem to quit on him.
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Your argument falls completely flat because this authority you're appealing to decided Glen Gulutzan was their guy. Clearly those professionals didn't have the best information themselves.
Edit: well given you just judged GG's entire coaching tenure on his record alone you just proved me right, didn't you?
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I understand but don't understand why some are pining to bring back Darryl, and I'm a huge Darryl fan. It seems like every time a coach thread comes up at least a couple people mention him. But this 2020 team is like the polar opposite of the last Flames team he coached.
Iggy, Reg, Kipper, and bunch of castoffs playing the left-wing lock and smashing teams into submission while playing to win 1-0 was freaking awesome, and Darryl was the perfect coach for that style. His LA teams were big, heavy teams as well. What exactly would he bring to the table with a roster of under-sized skilled speedsters?
I wish the Flames could get Torts.
I can't speak for everyone here, but Sutter seems a lot more flexible in his approach than I think you are giving him credit for. Yeah, for sure if you have a big mean team, Darryl Sutter is for sure the first name on that list of coaches that I would call to coach.
However, I do remember after he was let go from LA, he had a gig on Sportsnet (or was it TSN? I can't remember now - who cares either way) as an analyst. Gulutzan was still the coach, and I absolutely loved how he broke Calgary down.
He said that Calgary - and every team in the NHL today - needs to transition as fast as possible. Calgary had the ability, but they had been playing a slow transition game, and it is hurting them. He then went on and said that Backlund-Frolik should be more of a third line pairing that would be elite in the NHL as a shut-down line, but the 2nd line should be providing more scoring and more sustained pressure. Though I don't think Backlund is miscast as a 2nd line centre as some think he is, I tend to agree that utlizing Backlund on a traditional 3rd line shut-down role wouldn't neuter his offence.
His talk was all about moving the puck quicker and being a lightning-fast team both on the forecheck and in transition. He wasn't talking about blocking shots, hitting guys through the boards, and focusing on defence. It was really about being a fast skating team that could generate a lot more good chances than they have been.
Ever since then, I have been loving the idea of Darryl returning to coach this group as I don't think he would force this team to play "LA Kings" type of hockey, or "2004 Flames" type of hockey. He seemed to love the speed type of game that the Flames are capable of playing, and have played in the past. I bet he would fix the continual poor efforts in their own zone, however, without neutering the offence.
I don't think it will happen, and I don't actually bring it up, but I would be happy if Treliving brought him in. I think Laviolette is the guy I want, followed by Gallant, and then I don't really see anyone I am too interested in beyond that, but with Darryl Sutter always in the back of my head.
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Torts is one of the best coaches in the game hands down. I feel he would be the perfect coach for this team as he seems to do the hard love thing better than anyone else and the core of this team really needs a firm guy that they respect at the end of the day. Guys like Hartley and Peters were effective for a short while but it seems they lacked whatever redeeming quality Torts has that players don't seem to quit on him.
The other thing about Torts is that he adapted his style to the team he had, in TB, NYR and now Columbus. Only Vancouver was a fail.
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He said that Calgary - and every team in the NHL today - needs to transition as fast as possible. Calgary had the ability, but they had been playing a slow transition game, and it is hurting them. He then went on and said that Backlund-Frolik should be more of a third line pairing that would be elite in the NHL as a shut-down line, but the 2nd line should be providing more scoring and more sustained pressure. Though I don't think Backlund is miscast as a 2nd line centre as some think he is, I tend to agree that utlizing Backlund on a traditional 3rd line shut-down role wouldn't neuter his offence.
His talk was all about moving the puck quicker and being a lightning-fast team both on the forecheck and in transition. He wasn't talking about blocking shots, hitting guys through the boards, and focusing on defence. It was really about being a fast skating team that could generate a lot more good chances than they have been.
Ever since then, I have been loving the idea of Darryl returning to coach this group as I don't think he would force this team to play "LA Kings" type of hockey, or "2004 Flames" type of hockey. He seemed to love the speed type of game that the Flames are capable of playing, and have played in the past. I bet he would fix the continual poor efforts in their own zone, however, without neutering the offence.
I wish I had seen that. Great post, btw. I wonder how much his asking price is?
Better ####ing hire one of these three by summer time.
Don't be cheap.
I don't think the owners are cheap. They've given Treliving enough rope to fire Hartley, then pay him. Gulutzan was fired with money on the table. Then you have Peters, who was obviously paid out, salary $2 million.
I'd put Boudreau behind Laviolette but ahead of Gallant in my ranking of available coaches.
Personally I put Gallant at the top, I like how his team plays in 5 man units and balls to the wall, his players loved to work hard for him and it showed.
I don't think the owners are cheap. They've given Treliving enough rope to fire Hartley, then pay him. Gulutzan was fired with money on the table. Then you have Peters, who was obviously paid out, salary $2 million.
The owners are cheap when it comes to coaches. Every one of the instances you stated the team had there backs against the wall and were forced to do. Edwards is a greedy SOB.
I get that he hasn't had the greatest success in the playoffs but he's the 2nd all time winningest coach in the NHL by win percentage and he immediately gets results.
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Russo has a great article up at The Athletic today about it, too. Boudreau was totally blind sided by the firing. He was pissed. Also, I didn't realize Boudreau is 65.
So if the Flames lose today that leaves 21 games left I’m correct. Is that enough time to build a bit of a system for next season if the Flames hired Bruce this week.
So if the Flames lose today that leaves 21 games left I’m correct. Is that enough time to build a bit of a system for next season if the Flames hired Bruce this week.
I think they can try. That being said, I think there will be major changes in the off-season if they don't make the playoffs and win a couple of rounds.
Not sure if they can build a system around players who may not be here next season.
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I think they can try. That being said, I think there will be major changes in the off-season if they don't make the playoffs and win a couple of rounds.
Not sure if they can build a system around players who may not be here next season.
