[PGT] I'd 8-4 that game to be the norm. Chicago wins

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by zamler

I was curious so I checked, here's our plus players.
Ryan
Dube
Brodie
Giordano
Bennett
Rinaldo

Backlund was a plus player prior to tonight.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think the team is fine, I think the coaches system is the issue. You have a small skilled team told to play chip and chase. It simply doesn't work. The two games before the Kings game they were playing puck possession and looked great. Then against the Kings it was chip and chase again, I don't get it....

I agree, I think it's a coaching issue, this team is too inconsistent. I've said it before but I believe the players dictate the play, A good coach raises the standard and holds players accountable. Ward talked about leadership group but if the group is inconsistent how's the rest of the team to follow. Has BT, ever been around an experienced winning coach? Maybe that is the problem?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Jimdon

Monahan sits with a beauty -21 right now. Worst on the team and close to the bottom of the league. He doesn't even get the hardest matchups.

So much for that improved dedication to defense this year.

So, he's not scoring as much, he's possibly worse defensively, and he doesn't do much to get his teammates to play harder.

I have a feeling I know which player is going to be shipped out this summer.

[Monahammer]

[Monahammer]

This team is actually going to finish the season beneath the Oilers in the standings and that is a shameful failure.

Trade em all except for lindy, rasmus, and chucky.

I also think Lucic is a really nice guy, but if anyone actively convinced him not to retire they should be waterboarded. #### that would have been transformative for this club.

[Poe969]

The excuses in here are great! Bottom line, there are too many passengers on the team and its become acceptable by the coach, GM and most fans. If the players aren't giving all they can give then the coach needs to get more from them or play them in a position for them to succeed but if they only do it when they want to, they should be moved.

The coach sucks. Sure, his record is decent since hes started but that's because of the hit streak at the start of his job, they've since turned him out.

If this is some players "playing great" it means they just aren't good enough and the team needs to try and improve and cash in on depreciating assets.

The building blocks of this team are Tkachuck, Lindholm, Andersson...I don't even know who else anymore. Even those guys have bad games but at least it looks like they're trying.

This team needs a granade without the pin.

[Monahammer]

In 2 seasons our d core went from laudable to laughable. It wasnt just the subtraction of Hamilton (which undoubtedly hurt us) or other personnel changes. It's a piss poor system, and no buy in from 50% of the forward core.

I wonder what monahan+hanifin could get us in terms of other centers?

[mdubz]

Did they blow it up yet?

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Did Ryan play?

Darren Haynes tweeted yesterday that this is only the second game that Ryan has missed since coming to Calgary.

The first game was when we played Pittsburgh last year and lost 9-1.

Coincidence?

[Strange Brew]

The constant trade Gaudreau refrain kind of ignores how bad Monahan has been and also ignores the very serious question of whether Tkachuk is either good or consistent enough to be the best player on a contender.

[Manhattanboy]

I don’t think I can recall a worse game by a Flames defence since... two weeks ago against EDM.

God help us when we see teams like TB and BOS.

Cue the Benny Hill music whenever a team establishes the zone which in the Flames case is pretty much always.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Darren Haynes tweeted yesterday that this is only the second game that Ryan has missed since coming to Calgary.



The first game was when we played Pittsburgh last year and lost 9-1.



Coincidence?

Yes.




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[442scotty]

This team has a cancer and it’s called indifference and it will continue to spread and consume the few players we have that still give a crap and hate to lose. I’m sure Treliving knows who they are and needs to get rid of them

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The excuses in here are great! Bottom line, there are too many passengers on the team and its become acceptable by the coach, GM and most fans. If the players aren't giving all they can give then the coach needs to get more from them or play them in a position for them to succeed but if they only do it when they want to, they should be moved.

The coach sucks. Sure, his record is decent since hes started but that's because of the hit streak at the start of his job, they've since turned him out.

If this is some players "playing great" it means they just aren't good enough and the team needs to try and improve and cash in on depreciating assets.

The building blocks of this team are Tkachuck, Lindholm, Andersson...I don't even know who else anymore. Even those guys have bad games but at least it looks like they're trying.

This team needs a granade without the pin.

Need a coach that knows how to push the right buttons, sit the right players the moment there is a drop off in effort. Does the coach have the pulse of the team, players? If Monahan shows a piss poor effort, "bench him". Bench him until he decides to show up same for the rest of the passengers. The root of the problem is the players but without an experienced coach it is harder to extract water from stones.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The constant trade Gaudreau refrain kind of ignores how bad Monahan has been and also ignores the very serious question of whether Tkachuk is either good or consistent enough to be the best player on a contender.

Remember when everyone thought the “core” players were all signed to great deals? Those deals don’t seem so great now. This team doesn’t have a true star player.

The biggest problem is centre as always. They haven’t had a true number one centre for decades now. Monahan is at best a 2 (and even then a very mediocre 2). Every other centre is a great 3-4.

I hate to say blow it up but I don’t know what else they can do at this point. The team isn’t close to being a Cup contender. If ownership wants to build a perennial playoff contender, I’m sure they could do that with the pieces on this team. But they aren’t winning a Cup with these guys.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The constant trade Gaudreau refrain kind of ignores how bad Monahan has been and also ignores the very serious question of whether Tkachuk is either good or consistent enough to be the best player on a contender.

We need to trade for, or draft an elite player for the top line, we really don't have one. Tkachuk does a lot of good things but I think our top line could be a lot better. The flaws with our top line showed in the playoffs. I like what the Flames have done to try and improve the top line this season but I still don't think this team the right pieces.

[OldSam]

I think everyone else has pretty much summed up my feelings. I have two comments.

First, after last years playoff debacle, I recall Peters saying they were going to focus on D so that wouldn't happen again. As several have mentioned, changing from fast forecheck and speed to dump and chase and sacrifice speed and offense for defense after the GM has brought in players that don't fit dump and chase is borderline stupid.

Second, it sounds great to get rid of everyone and start over but you have to have a partner to trade with and absolutely no one is going to help the Flames.

In my mind, there is enough talent on the roster to keep and see what an experienced coach who can develop a system to suit the players we have.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The constant trade Gaudreau refrain kind of ignores how bad Monahan has been and also ignores the very serious question of whether Tkachuk is either good or consistent enough to be the best player on a contender.

I'd trade Monahan for sure if you can get a decent return. Like Gaudreau he is way to one dimensional and you cant have that from your top guys. They need to impact the game when their not scoring. You need to be able to put them out in any situation at any point in the game. Gaudreau would bring the better return, is closer to UFA, and the more likely to walk. Makes sense the talk is around him. Chucky I do not see as your top guy either. I think hes a good support piece and a guy you'd keep but I wouldnt bank on him being the top guy.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Another bad goaltending mention.

Awful post

Rittich was not good. Sorry bud. As I mentioned in the pregame thread, he has been mediocre or worse for over 6 weeks now. His numbers are not good.

I get it though. You think he is great.

Edit: just read the rest of your points and thought I’d just reply to all here.

- goals 1, 3 and 4 were all savable. Good goalies make big saves.
- you are going to have to make a whole lot of excuses if you are going to justify your argument that Rittich isn’t part of the problem right now.
<.900 sv% in 8 of last 13 games and has benn yanked 3 times.

I think the D has been awful this year. But Rittich isn’t playing consistent hockey either.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

6 of 8 points against the Oilers we are doing fine against your 2 man team

Exactly. the poster I replied to said the recent schedule for the flames was tough. I'm just saying he's wrong. It hasn't been tough at all. Lots of bottom feeding teams.