Economy is king, it always is, so in that sense policy is borderline irrelevant, unless of course that policy is increase taxes at a time the economy is doing well. I still contend Bernie's only realistic shot is economic collapse. Otherwise there are too many vital electoral college states where putting Bernie in charge in good economic times will be a non-starter.
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Economy is king, it always is, so in that sense policy is borderline irrelevant, unless of course that policy is increase taxes at a time the economy is doing well. I still contend Bernie's only realistic shot is economic collapse. Otherwise there are too many vital electoral college states where putting Bernie in charge in good economic times will be a non-starter.
Hill.TV with a discussion on Andrew Yang after his departure and how he was the only candidate who didn't resort to villainizing others, Democrat or Republican.
Warren was dumb enough to actually try to explain how medicare for all would be paid for (hint: taxes). Bernie knows that his supporters don't care about those irksome details, so there's no upside to realistically costing out his promises.
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Yang's first comment to the press after ending his campaign sums up pretty well the state of the Democratic race "I can't believe I lost to these people."
Like Perot before him, Yang is a technocrat in the old-fashioned sense: someone who believes that democratic politics is not a millenarian contest of wills but a simple means of deciding the most prudential solutions to ordinary problems like securing employment and the provision of health care.
Warren was dumb enough to actually try to explain how medicare for all would be paid for (hint: taxes). Bernie knows that his supporters don't care about those irksome details, so there's no upside to realistically costing out his promises.
He is right, though. From a pure political standpoint, precisely how much the plan will cost is irrelevant. The answer is "a whole ####ing lot of money", and his response is "we're already paying a whole ####ing lot of money and it's all going to the evil corporations rather than making your health better". Which is a perfectly cromulent way to frame the argument when you're Bernie Sanders, whose entire schtick is about how evil corporations and a corrupt system are screwing you over, that's right you, the little guy who works hard for a paycheck.
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Yang's first comment to the press after ending his campaign sums up pretty well the state of the Democratic race "I can't believe I lost to these people."
There are some things I couldn't support 100% in his platform. Not that they were terrible ideas, but just not practical.
Yang as a person was someone that I would vote for however. He is a great business man and seems sincere and thoughtful.
But one thing the Dems really have to avoid is a Jimmy Carter candidate. By that, I mean someone who is genuinely a good person but not cold enough to be presidential.
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So 60% of Democrats and dam near 100% of the GOP don't want anything to do with Bernie's signature policy, that is probably about 70% of voters, or to put it another way everyone that has health insurance through work and everyone who are covered by Medicaid and Medicare, none of whom want the security they have threatened even if they can see the sense of a single payer system, as a signature policy it is a lock to lose any candidate the election even against Trump, in the US what Bernie is really selling is massive insecurity to the vast majority of US citizens who have healthcare and are scared ####less of losing it in some unfunded never tried plan in a country who's size and legal complexity dwarfs anything ever tried in the world.
The vast majority of Americans have healthcare and Bernie is asking them to give up what they have for the sake of the smaller number who dont
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The easiest solution to the healthcare problem would be to just expand medicare and medicaid downwards(by age) ever year until you eventually capture everyone. No shock, no massive transition, just expansions of existing plans. That's my "I have no idea of the details" plan.
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Universal Healthcare in the US is like Gun Control, everybody sees the sense of it and will, when polled agree its a good idea but almost no one will vote for it because they are terrified of losing what they have.
To run on a platform of taking away healthcare from 70% of Americans on a promise that a divided not particularly functional Government can get their act together to replace it with something else is as unbelievable as asking Americans to give up their guns on the basis that the police will keep them safe, Americans don't trust the ability of Government to serve them and while agreeing that everyone else should get their gun taken away or get Universal Healthcare almost none of that 70% will vote to lose their healthcare or their perceived ability to defend themselves.
The public option was always the best play for anything close to single payer, and even with 60 votes in the Senate the Dems couldn't get it done. I just don't ever see a day 60 progressives are in the Senate, as long as Dems need blue dogs they are gonna struggle to do anything meaningful on health care.
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So 60% of Democrats and dam near 100% of the GOP don't want anything to do with Bernie's signature policy, that is probably about 70% of voters, or to put it another way everyone that has health insurance through work and everyone who are covered by Medicaid and Medicare, none of whom want the security they have threatened even if they can see the sense of a single payer system, as a signature policy it is a lock to lose any candidate the election even against Trump, in the US what Bernie is really selling is massive insecurity to the vast majority of US citizens who have healthcare and are scared ####less of losing it in some unfunded never tried plan in a country who's size and legal complexity dwarfs anything ever tried in the world.
The vast majority of Americans have healthcare and Bernie is asking them to give up what they have for the sake of the smaller number who dont
It is worse than that.
My own mother is on Medicare, and admits that it is better than what she had as a teacher (which was also publicly funded health insurance), but does not want to make Medicare available to everyone else (ie, those under 65) for reasons that she can’t even explain herself, other than “who is going to pay for it all”?
It is downright embarrassing.
She sucks up the health care dollars that I and other taxpayers provide as we works jobs that we don’t particularly like so that we can have health insurance of our own that is, on balance, worse than Medicare, but she refuses to support the idea of letting others share in the same program.
Shameful.
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Just to clarify, Medicaid is run by states and inconsistent and gives pretty crappy access to Doctors in a lot of areas. Medicare is federally run and has much better access to Doctors.
People who currently have Medicaid or have kids on it would probably be in favor of it being replaced by Medicare.
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Universal Healthcare in the US is like Gun Control, everybody sees the sense of it and will, when polled agree its a good idea but almost no one will vote for it because they are terrified of losing what they have..
But here is the funny thing:
At some point, everyone is going to lose the health care that they currently have, whether because they lose their job, change jobs, or—-wait for it—-end up on Medicare at age 65 anyway.
I honestly do not understand how people can be so stupid to be against something that they will eventually need and be on eventually.
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