The Democratic Presidential Nomination 2020

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Sanders is surging in Quinnipac/Ipsos national polls. Now has a 9 point lead on Biden. He also leads among all of the Democratic candidates against Trump at +18% in a potential Presidential election matchup. Some posters might be listening too much to the corporate messaging or allowing their own personal preferences to under-estimating his electability. This has not been the first set of polls that have shown this.

#unelectable

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Sanders is surging in Quinnipac/Ipsos national polls. Now has a 9 point lead on Biden. He also leads among all of the Democratic candidates against Trump at +18% in a potential Presidential election matchup. Some posters might be listening too much to the corporate messaging or allowing their own personal preferences to under-estimating his electability. This has not been the first set of polls that have shown this.

Some posters have also forgotten what Hillary's lead around this time in 2016 looked like. The hypothetical of voting for Bernie is not the same as actually voting for him. Bernie's chances are still tied to economic collapse, without it he'll lose.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Some posters have also forgotten what Hillary's lead around this time in 2016 looked like. The hypothetical of voting for Bernie is not the same as actually voting for him. Bernie's chances are still tied to economic collapse, without it he'll lose.

Not to mention Flameon stated +18 GE polling, but posted a poll stating +4.

[burn_this_city]

+4 is everyone, +18 is among Independents.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

#unelectable

He is plus 18 with Independents. That is pretty impressive. Surprising he would only be plus 4 with the general voting population with that lead in Independents.

[GirlySports]

While the numbers are impressive, Bernie hasn't gone through the national ringer of a one on one battle as the official nominee.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by icecube

Long winded way of saying cheap, selfish, dumb and racist.

[GirlySports]

Predictions again?

1. Bernie
2. Pete
3. Amy
4. Liz
5. Joe

Liz drops out tomorrow.

The surprise might be Tulsi. She's invested a ton into NH.

[burn_this_city]

MSNBC/CNN Headlines for tomorrow.

Bernie struggles to a 1st place win in NH, Comeback Joe strong 4th, Klobuchar with a momentum grabbing 5th.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Speaking of surprises, those Bloomberg numbers in that poll are pretty surprising. I don't know how he becomes nominee without a brokered convention, but that appears to be pretty likely at this point so could be fun.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Speaking of surprises, those Bloomberg numbers in that poll are pretty surprising. I don't know how he becomes nominee without a brokered convention, but that appears to be pretty likely at this point so could be fun.

A brokered convention where they anoint a plutocrat centrist as the nominee over the grassroots choice will end the Democrats.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Speaking of surprises, those Bloomberg numbers in that poll are pretty surprising. I don't know how he becomes nominee without a brokered convention, but that appears to be pretty likely at this point so could be fun.

The one way to guarantee another 4 years of Trump will be a brokered convention that gives the nomination to Bloomberg, especially if Sanders has the most delegates. The Bernie bros will just stay home again like in 2016, or even vote for Trump just to spite the DNC

[GirlySports]

Even the possibilty of a brokered convention should get Bernie supporters out there and steamroll the field.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Bloomberg against Trump is by far the most entertaining prospective matchup. If there's one thing Trump hates more than women and minorities, it's people who have more money than him.

[burn_this_city]

Bloomberg might have some trouble bringing out the minority vote.

95% of your murders -- murderers and murder victims fit one MO. You can just take the description, Xerox it and pass it out to all the cops. They are male. minorities, sixteen to twenty-five. That's true in New York. That's true in virtually every city. And that's where the real crime is.

You've got to get the guns out of the hands of the people that are getting killed. You want to spend the money on a lot of cops in the streets. Put those cops where the crime is, which means in minority neighborhoods. So, one of the unintended consequences is people say, "Oh my God, you are arresting kids for marijuana that are all minorities. Yes, that's true. Why? Because we put all the cops in minority neighborhoods. Yes, that's true. Why do we do it? Because that's where all the crime is.

And the way you get the guns out of the kid's hands is to throw them up against the walls and frisk them. And they start, "Oh, I don't want to get caught." So they don't bring the gun. They still have a gun. But they leave it at home.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

While the numbers are impressive, Bernie hasn't gone through the national ringer of a one on one battle as the official nominee.

While true, the same is true for every other candidate. Sanders is about as battle-hardened as they come.

Plus I think if the GoP had something really good to attack Sanders with, they'd probably have used it already. They generally start smearing top Democratic candidates right after the previous election has finished.

He's also kind of unique that the typical smear against him is that he's a socialist, and right now that label is actually what makes him interesting and attractive to people.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Itse

While true, the same is true for every other candidate. Sanders is about as battle-hardened as they come.

Plus I think if the GoP had something really good to attack Sanders with, they'd probably have used it already. They generally start smearing top Democratic candidates right after the previous election has finished.

He's also kind of unique that the typical smear against him is that he's a socialist, and right now that label is actually what makes him interesting and attractive to people.

The GOP right now is playing up the narrative that the DNC is going to steal the nomination from Bernie again. Fox News and Steve Bannon are all about how poor Bernie Sanders is getting screwed by the Democratic party. You'd think they were full on Bernie supporters, the way they are going on.

It works great for Trump if they play that up for now, and the Bernie Bros are playing right into their hands. Either Bernie gets the nomination, and we have 4 months of ads terrifying everyone of Bernie's policies, or it will all be about how Bernie got screwed by the DNC.

[Red Slinger]

While those poll numbers are interesting, the real question for Dems, as FlameOn alluded to, is "which candidate will energize the base to vote?" To me, Sanders, Buttigieg and maybe Warren will engage the base (but for different reasons). I think Biden, Klobuchar, Bloomberg and others might result in 2016 again.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Itse

While true, the same is true for every other candidate. Sanders is about as battle-hardened as they come.

Plus I think if the GoP had something really good to attack Sanders with, they'd probably have used it already. They generally start smearing top Democratic candidates right after the previous election has finished.

He's also kind of unique that the typical smear against him is that he's a socialist, and right now that label is actually what makes him interesting and attractive to people.

The GOP, Trump, have been promoting Bernie all along, he is clearly their preferred candidate and they have purposely held off attacking him and done everything in their power to get him as the Dem's candidate.

The smear against Bernie is not he's a socialist the smear is his policies will require a massive tax rise for average americans, massive, Trump will happily claim and be believed that a vote for Bernie is a vote for 15% across the board tax increases along with massive cuts to the military.

[Cain]

Originally Posted by icecube

Long winded way of saying cheap, selfish, dumb and racist.

Just wanted to clarify, but you are generalizing a huge population with this, correct? If so, seems ...pretty ridiculous.