02-10-2020, 11:34 AM
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#101
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
as of 2019 Sean Monahan had career earnings of 30,125,000 and Nurse had 7,235,000.
Is there anyone that would not trade Monahan even up for Nurse today?
How big of a contract will Nurse have to get in 2 years to catch him up to Monahan?
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its a strange argument, given that Monahan, first in games played from that draft class, arrived two years earlier and so yes the entire contract process has been accelerated- but still I don't think your numbers are correct. I see 29.2 M for Monahan, 9.1 for Nurse- obviously still a big discrepancy.
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02-10-2020, 12:00 PM
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#102
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
as of 2019 Sean Monahan had career earnings of 30,125,000 and Nurse had 7,235,000.
Is there anyone that would not trade Monahan even up for Nurse today?
How big of a contract will Nurse have to get in 2 years to catch him up to Monahan?
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Ok, maybe my English is not so good. But are you asking who wouldn't trade Monahan now straight up for Nurse? This has to be a troll post. You're saying teams would give up a 1st line centre for a 4th dman? Ha ha, what a comment.
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02-10-2020, 12:10 PM
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#103
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by The Yen Man
Ok, maybe my English is not so good. But are you asking who wouldn't trade Monahan now straight up for Nurse? This has to be a troll post. You're saying teams would give up a 1st line centre for a 4th dman? Ha ha, what a comment.
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Wait, if your talking to him it should be who wouldn't trade Monahan strait up for Josh Morrissey, the obvious top player from that draft.
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02-10-2020, 12:12 PM
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#104
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by ricardodw
and people rightly mocked the Oiler fan comment on them having 5 Gios.
WTF is holding Kylington back? Andersson's stellar -18 ES play? Of Hanifin's -15 It sure isn't their 15 pts each.
What would Brodie want to stay on with the Flames. Talk about having leverage over the team!!
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I have no clue what you are trying to get at. Nothing is "holding Kylington back", other than the fact he has played less that a year's worth of games in the league and he's only 22. And if you can't see that Andersson and Hanifin are good Dmen who are miles better than Nurse (and cheaper too now), I can't help you at all. Andersson and Nurse have identical point shares and Andersson is way ahead in Corsi. Same with Hanifin.
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02-10-2020, 01:12 PM
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#105
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Yen Man
Ok, maybe my English is not so good. But are you asking who wouldn't trade Monahan now straight up for Nurse? This has to be a troll post. You're saying teams would give up a 1st line centre for a 4th dman? Ha ha, what a comment.
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Monahan is not even a #1 c on the Flames. (Lindholm is) Based on their play this year he would be hard pressed to replace RNH as #2 C on the Oilers.
To call Nurse a #4 d-man is trolling. He is -2 with playing 22:24 a game and has 24 pts. This is on a team that the Flames are chasing for a bubble playoff spot.
He is also #30 in the league with 126 hits. The Flames have exactly zero D-men that are as uncomfortable to play against as Nurse.
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02-10-2020, 01:39 PM
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#106
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Put the crack pipe down. There isn’t a player in the league worried about playing against Nurse. He plays a lot of minutes on a team with exactly zero top pair defenders. He’s an average number 4 on his best day.
It is moronic to suggest any team outside Edmonton would trade Monahan for Nurse.
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02-10-2020, 01:40 PM
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#107
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
Monahan is not even a #1 c on the Flames. (Lindholm is) Based on their play this year he would be hard pressed to replace RNH as #2 C on the Oilers.
To call Nurse a #4 d-man is trolling. He is -2 with playing 22:24 a game and has 24 pts. This is on a team that the Flames are chasing for a bubble playoff spot.
He is also #30 in the league with 126 hits. The Flames have exactly zero D-men that are as uncomfortable to play against as Nurse.
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Isn't that the sole reason you exist here? Most of your takes are so horribly bad (as with this latest one we are discussing) that I always assumed that you were deliberately being obtuse to get a rise out of people.
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02-10-2020, 01:42 PM
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#108
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by old-fart
Put the crack pipe down. There isn’t a player in the league worried about playing against Nurse. He plays a lot of minutes on a team with exactly zero top pair defenders. He’s an average number 4 on his best day.
It is moronic to suggest any team outside Edmonton would trade Monahan for Nurse.
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At best a number 4. Calgary isn't a very successful team this year, but he'd be hard pressed to be a 4 here (absent all the injuries). He'd probably be a 5.
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02-10-2020, 01:43 PM
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#109
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First round-bust
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
Monahan is not even a #1 c on the Flames. (Lindholm is) Based on their play this year he would be hard pressed to replace RNH as #2 C on the Oilers.
To call Nurse a #4 d-man is trolling. He is -2 with playing 22:24 a game and has 24 pts. This is on a team that the Flames are chasing for a bubble playoff spot.
He is also #30 in the league with 126 hits. The Flames have exactly zero D-men that are as uncomfortable to play against as Nurse.
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Furthermore, when Nurse is on the ice, the Oilers typically allow more shots than they take, but you didn't mention that part.
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02-10-2020, 01:43 PM
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#110
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
as of 2019 Sean Monahan had career earnings of 30,125,000 and Nurse had 7,235,000.
Is there anyone that would not trade Monahan even up for Nurse today?
How big of a contract will Nurse have to get in 2 years to catch him up to Monahan?
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Don’t do drugs.
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02-10-2020, 01:45 PM
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#111
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Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Furthermore, when Nurse is on the ice, the Oilers typically allow more shots than they take, but you didn't mention that part.
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And if a D man is getting lots of hits it often means he is being beaten to the puck in the corners.
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02-10-2020, 01:49 PM
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#112
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
At best a number 4. Calgary isn't a very successful team this year, but he'd be hard pressed to be a 4 here (absent all the injuries). He'd probably be a 5.
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There we have it: Calgary has 5 D-men as good or better than Nurse.
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02-10-2020, 01:51 PM
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#113
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
There we have it: Calgary has 5 D-men as good or better than Nurse.
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Ok first of all, Nurse being a number 5 on Calgary means there would be 4 defensemen as good as or better than him, not 5. If there were 5 as good as or better than him, he'd be the 6.
Second... yes. And that shouldn't be hard to fathom when Nurse is a second-pairing guy on his own team that is notorious for being poor defensively.
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02-10-2020, 01:51 PM
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#114
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
And if a D man is getting lots of hits it often means he is being beaten to the puck in the corners.
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Robyn Regehr was an embarrassment to the Flames Jersey..??
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02-10-2020, 01:53 PM
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#115
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
There we have it: Calgary has 5 D-men as good or better than Nurse.
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Uh, yah? Finally, a sane comment from you. Other than maybe Hamonic, I wouldn't trade any of Gio, Andersson, Hanifin, or Brodie for Nurse.
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02-10-2020, 01:54 PM
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#116
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
And if a D man is getting lots of hits it often means he is being beaten to the puck in the corners.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
Robyn Regehr was an embarrassment to the Flames Jersey..??
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Regehr registered more and more hits every season as he got older and worse.
Besides, Regehr's hits were a classic case of quality > quantity. To paraphrase a Kent Wilson quote, "hitting is like killing rats. Doing it is preferable to not, but doing it all the time suggests you have bigger problems."
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02-10-2020, 01:56 PM
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#117
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Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois
Who would be arbitration comparable even close to 5.6?
Even McAvoy and werenski who are way better players were less money for more term.
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McAvoy and Werenski were also signing deals straight out of their ELCs. Nurse's first bridge contract was $3.2 x 2.
Cody Ceci got $4.3 million after 17/18. Trouba also got $5.5 million from arbitration in that offseason.
Stat lines from that season:
Ceci 82 games 5 goals, 14 assists, 19 points. -27
Trouba 55 3-21 24 points. +9
That was two years ago as well, and we have seen a big jump in contract size in the last couple of seasons.
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02-10-2020, 01:57 PM
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#118
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardodw
There we have it: Calgary has 5 D-men as good or better than Nurse.
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Gio, Brodie, Andersson, Hanifin = better. That makes Nurse a fifth D here. I'd argue Hamonic, when used right, is a way better defensive defenceman, too.
You are trying to compare that with the Oiler statement that they had 5 Gios. Call me when Nurse wins the Norris.
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02-10-2020, 01:59 PM
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#119
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Regehr registered more and more hits every season as he got older and worse.
Besides, Regehr's hits were a classic case of quality > quantity. To paraphrase a Kent Wilson quote, "hitting is like killing rats. Doing it is preferable to not, but doing it all the time suggests you have bigger problems."
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Yup - Reg's famous hits were against guys carrying the puck into the zone. That's not Nurse.
When Reg was younger, his feet were better and he was good at moving the puck.
ETA: It's no coincidence his biggest hitting numbers were in LA at the end of his career.
Last edited by GioforPM; 02-10-2020 at 02:03 PM.
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02-10-2020, 02:00 PM
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#120
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This is a strange term from the perspective of the Oilers. Nurse will enter UFA status the same year that Broberg, and Bouchard come off their ELC.
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