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Old 02-07-2020, 03:31 PM   #21
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The rowing machine is my tool of choice for gym cardio now. It has so much range. You can get a high intensity workout in 5 minutes, or slow the pace and go for 40.

The only drawback is that it's hard to go for long sessions regularly because it's tough on the hands, at least in my experience.

I also find it a good one for mid-lifers like me who find ellipticals increasingly boring. I just go for longer sessions on the rower now, usually between 5 and 10 kms.

Once upon a time long ago, I could do 2000m in 6:52. Now I could maybe pull off 7:20. But I might die first, so just stick with endurance mostly.
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The thing is, the M readout on any given rowing machine is about as useful as a calories workout - it's basically an arbitrary metric. If you do 2000M on one machine at a certain resistance level, it might be totally different (easier / harder) on another. But I guess if most people are using the Concept2 these days, it's apples to apples. I have a lifecore, myself, which has been great. Seemed like a couple years ago the waterrower was pretty popular.
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Old 02-07-2020, 03:54 PM   #23
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Yes I just use it as a benchmark. Effort is the best measurement.
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Old 02-07-2020, 04:08 PM   #24
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A hundred years ago when I was a teenager I did the free learn to row at the Calgary Rowing Club, it was a lot of fun and switching it up between sculling and sweeping worked different core muscles. If I had time in the summer I would sign up for regular use stuff there for sure, fresh air and great exercise.

No input on machines though. Don't jump on them enough.
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Old 02-07-2020, 09:59 PM   #25
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Research shows that sprints have better overall impact on endurance and strength than long, slow cardio.

Sorry, old man. You've gotta keep up or just fall behind.
That’s not true, HIIT has a higher impact on increasing VO2 max which is one component of endurance. You still need long and slow to build other aspects of endurance.
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Good rowing machine times are really dependent on how team you are and how much you weigh. The machine itself doesn't acting for the weight of the occupant through the water, so basically the more you with the more you can put force into the bacon machine. A for and strong person can only make up for size with leg drive, but it's obviously more tiring to use muscle to generate power than size.
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After a good session of rowing, you can answer *is* life but a dream?
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Good rowing machine times are really dependent on how team you are and how much you weigh. The machine itself doesn't acting for the weight of the occupant through the water, so basically the more you with the more you can put force into the bacon machine. A for and strong person can only make up for size with leg drive, but it's obviously more tiring to use muscle to generate power than size.
Please tell me more about this Bacon Machine.
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That’s not true, HIIT has a higher impact on increasing VO2 max which is one component of endurance. You still need long and slow to build other aspects of endurance.
Sort of true. HIIT is just far more efficient. If you want to spend 40 minutes huffing away on a rower be my guest but if you can get 90% of the way there with a 5 minute sprint, that's what I choose.
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For those with a Concept 2, RowPro software is fun to use and help guides your workout. Can also race online. Hook it up to a PC and monitor in front of the rower and away you go.

https://www.digitalrowing.com/
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This thread motivated me to use the rowing machine at the gym today for the first time in Atleast a year. Did 1000 meters in 4:10. My new goal is to get it done in 3:50.
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For those with a Concept 2, RowPro software is fun to use and help guides your workout. Can also race online. Hook it up to a PC and monitor in front of the rower and away you go.

https://www.digitalrowing.com/
What is the cost per month on the software? On the webpage it sends you right to a free 30 day trial with out displaying the cost. I personally hate that kind of business setup.
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What is the cost per month on the software? On the webpage it sends you right to a free 30 day trial with out displaying the cost. I personally hate that kind of business setup.
There's a separate menu option called pricing and it's everywhere. I'm not sure how you missed it.

https://www.digitalrowing.com/Pricing/index.html
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I tried the CP inspired rowing machine workout today and it was ok. But is it supposed to do anything for legs? There's no leg resistance at all. I kind of felt like my grip was bearing the majority of the stress. The first couple minutes of an 8 minute pace was so easy but then by 8 minutes I was more tired then I thought I'd be. I think it would be hard to do a hiit routine because the recoil has no effort at all and I found it hard to keep a steady high intensity. I want to try again but I like a good leg burn. I should watch a how to video.
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I tried the CP inspired rowing machine workout today and it was ok. But is it supposed to do anything for legs? There's no leg resistance at all. I kind of felt like my grip was bearing the majority of the stress. The first couple minutes of an 8 minute pace was so easy but then by 8 minutes I was more tired then I thought I'd be. I think it would be hard to do a hiit routine because the recoil has no effort at all and I found it hard to keep a steady high intensity. I want to try again but I like a good leg burn. I should watch a how to video.
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Yeah. That video nailed it. I'll try again today. Not too many people use the rowers so it's a nice option. Is 8 mins for 2000 meters a good target? I see someone was like 6:50 seconds? Is that like olympic pace? Just want to be ready for the CP regatta.
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Does anyone own anything other than a Concept 2? are cheaper machines any good?
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Does anyone own anything other than a Concept 2? are cheaper machines any good?
Once you put all the fancy electronics aside, the main issue with cheaper machines, and cheaper fitness equipment in general, is durability.

And yes, you can find cheaper ones than the Concept 2. I'd do a lot of research into reviews on them though. If possible, find one designed for use in a commercial gym, as those typically have the highest durability ratings.
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Does anyone own anything other than a Concept 2? are cheaper machines any good?
https://firstdegreefitness.com/shop/...-indoor-rower/

I have one of these which I purchased from Costco a few years ago. It was pretty cheap at the time (~$600) but I see they are quite a bit more expensive now.

It has proven to be quite durable and I prefer the water sensation over the feeling I get from the air resistance like the Concept 2. Quieter, as well, IMO.
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Yeah. That video nailed it. I'll try again today. Not too many people use the rowers so it's a nice option. Is 8 mins for 2000 meters a good target? I see someone was like 6:50 seconds? Is that like olympic pace? Just want to be ready for the CP regatta.
6:50 is a really fast pace. For indoor rowing there is a term 'Sub7', which is basically 2000m in under 7 minutes.

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