Question of the year folks..what is wrong with Gaudreau

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Hot Flatus knows farts.

This stuff belongs in the “different fart smells thread” that was unceremoniously locked for some reason.


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[DuffMan]

He is no good at the passing, but good at the turnovers.

He single handedly wasted most of the first pp last night with 2 bad passes.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

What’s wrong with Johnny is the wrong question IMO. Despite lots of armchair psychology fans have no clue and are mostly just mad.

The better Q is what helps the flames?

There is 0 chance trading him makes the flames better in the next 2 years. 50-50 it ever looks good.

With him, the flames need more talent.
Without him they need even more.

So is the cost of adding enough talent to Gaudreau to make a winning team > adding talent to make a winning team without Gaudreau? I doubt it.

[Yoho]

Move on, he’s not re signing here most likely anyway.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

There is 0 chance trading him makes the flames better in the next 2 years. 50-50 it ever looks good.



With him, the flames need more talent.

Without him they need even more.



So is the cost of adding enough talent to Gaudreau to make a winning team > adding talent to make a winning team without Gaudreau? I doubt it.

My expectation is that the return for Gaudreau in a trade would be substantially more than nothing. I honestly believe it would go a long way to contributing to a better team constructed around Tkachuk, Lindholm, and Monahan.

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[rhino]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Yup you're a high school gossip looking to hang with the cool kids.

Ok sport

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by rhino

Ok sport

What other explanation is there for your posts?

Seriously trying to understand the motives of people here.

But will leave it at that.

[Dajazz]

There are multiple issues. Spitting chiclets has mentioned on several episodes how Calgary’s “young stars” like to party, not in a negative manner, but more “good for them”.

Coaching is another. JG thrived under Hartley and his transition speed, he failed under GG and thrived again under Peters until he changed the strategy after the Colorado embarrassment. Ward is continuing on the same path, slower and more defensive play. JG wants run and gun and speed speed speed. He’s an awesome backchecker when he wants to.

And I’ve said it for a year, split JG and Monahan up. JG with Lindholm, Monahan with Tkachuk.

As for any off ice issues I won’t speculate, but IF he’s not taking care of himself it’s a problem. It’s s competitive now and everybody is so fit that you can’t get by being in “ok” shape.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

What other explanation is there for your posts?

Seriously trying to understand the motives of people here.

But will leave it at that.

Posts??? It was 1 post. And to be clear what I heard is nothing negative about Johnny.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Move on, he’s not re signing here most likely anyway.

There is about zero percent chance he re-signs in Calgary. The Flames need to move him and I think this would be a very, very difficult trade to make. No matter what the return you get is not going to be sufficient and the fans are going to obliterate you as a GM. We will not be receiving back the best player in the deal.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Move on, he’s not re signing here most likely anyway.

This is what I worry about. It’s pretty clear things aren’t working well for him right now. He doesn’t have any real incentive to stay unless he can turn things around next year.

I think the Flames need to see how he does next season. If it begins much like this year has gone they need to deal him and move on. They won’t get a great return but at least they’ll get something.

[iamca]

Soft and easily distracted by a stick to the hands. Once Johnny gets off his game he is an undersized peripheral player with no ability to adjust his game.

Regular season and playoffs are not a skills competition or an All Star game, and the latter is more Johnny's type of game where he can be a stand out player.

Tre missed out an the opportunity to trade Johnny for a substantial return, so now this summer he will be challenged to find another team that will make a deal that involves a decent return.

My thought is a draft day deal where a couple of decent picks are part of the return is the best case scenario at this point.

[442scotty]

All the guys on the team he hangs with have girlfriends or wives and are getting into more of a settle down mode. I’m assuming Gaudreau doesn’t have a girlfriend here and he’s probably lonely as hell, missing family and having his own. Even just a little loneliness can throw everything off.

[dissentowner]

This thread is asking the wrong question. The question is not what is wrong with Gaudreau, the question is what is wrong with the team. The whole entire roster is way off pace. What is wrong with Monahan? Why does Backlund look like a 4th line scrub? Why does Jankowski who almost had 20 last year have two goals and has fallen off a cliff? Why has Tkachuk also recently fallen off a cliff? Why is Gio's numbers way off? It isn't Gaudreau, it is a coaching and system issue. Peters said after last years playoff loss he was going to change things to be more defensive and Ward has carried that exact chip and chase garbage after Peters left. This is an offensive skilled group BT has assemble and they are being told to play cautious offensively with the focus being on everyone backchecking hard. It does not fit this roster at all, it is trying to force a square peg into a round hole. It won't work. If BT is not going to make a coaching change then Ward needs to go back to the offensive system the Flames used last year. That is the only way this gets turned around.

[CliffFletcher]

Teams whose star players don’t dedicate themselves to backchecking never go anywhere in the playoffs. If this core can’t or won’t play a 200 ft game, it needs to be broken up.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Teams whose star players don’t dedicate themselves to backchecking never go anywhere in the playoffs. If this core can’t or won’t play a 200 ft game, it needs to be broken up.

There is a large difference between playing a 200 foot game and playing no offensive system at all. Dump it in and then defend is not a good system for a small offensive roster. You play to your strengths, not your weaknesses.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There is a large difference between playing a 200 foot game and playing no offensive system at all. Dump it in and then defend is not a good system for a small offensive roster. You play to your strengths, not your weaknesses.

So they should be playing on ice Aussie rules football?

[Strange Brew]

To me the problem is not exactly backchecking, but being able to get out of their zone.
Although there are some examples of lazy backchecking to be sure.

It's pretty cool to crap all over Gaudreau right now, and he has brought this on himself with this play. But to me this highlights how this team needs him in order to win. People talk about Tkachuk and Lindholm being the top line now and frankly that may be a problem. Maybe it was another thread where Flash mentioned Gaudreau engaging God mode last year which seems as though it made a lot of players look better.

I sure with I could have a peek at Treliving's blueprint for turning this team into a contender.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The big difference here is that Johnny has gone from elite offensive player driving Calgary's offense to a player who is often a liability. And one with massive off ice reported issues.

Again, this isn't gossip from a tabloid magazine. These are first hand reports from credible people. Many people here know why he is having a bad 90 game stretch.

And Kane didn't have a 70 point season in between his 100 point seasons. He had a 89 point and a 76 point season in between the two 100's. In his 76 point season, his shooting percentage was a career low 9.5%. If that was at his career average, he'd be pretty much at his career average in points. His 106 points was based(at least partly) on an historically high shooting percentage that year.

Really? Massive reported off ice issues? This is all just irresponsible hearsay. All I’ve ever heard of is his love of Skittles, ham and cheese sandwiches, lack of vegetables in his diet, his love of video games who’s a bit of a mama’s boy. Sure I’ve seen him out drinking, but that was partying with his teammates which isn’t abnormal.

Also, even if he made questionable personal life decisions, how could you say this is definitively the reason why he’s struggling? Why didn’t he struggle last season, or the year before? Or how has professional party boy Tyler Seguin been so consistent for the majority of his career?

Lastly, my point about Kane still stands true. He went from 76 points to 110 points. That would mean that he struggled immensely the season prior to his career year, relatively speaking. Also, your point about shooting % only applies to goals, not assists which you conveniently left out. Who’s to say that the situation couldn’t occur for Gaudreau?


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[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

It’s not slander if it’s true ... maybe a few lawyers can chime in .... just saying

Not to put too fine a point on it, but typically if written it would be "libel" vs "slander" which is oral.

In any event I'd be surprised if the site itself would be liable, particularly if the message was taken down by mods "reasonably" promptly. The OP may not be off the hook though.

Just spitballin' - but it's an interesting area.