Brodie or Hamonic?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by flameester

Can't understand why nobody 'BBF' didn't bring this up.

Sorry first time trying to do this.[URL="http://www.tsn.ca/giordano-and-brodie-pairing-continues-to-carry-calgary-1.1435356"]http

Fixed link:
http://www.tsn.ca/giordano-and-brodi...gary-1.1435356

Perhaps, above all else, it’s the combination of puck skills that make this pairing so dominant. Giordano and Brodie are both quality puck movers and handlers, so in many instances a shift against the duo means very few touches of the puck for the opposition.
We see that in the underlying numbers. The Giordano and Brodie pairing has been outstanding for some time now and it is again true in the 2019-20 season:

They know their top pairing is one they can lean on for 25 minutes a night. But can the same be said for Noah Hanifin, Oliver Kylington, Rasmus Andersson and Travis Hamonic? All four players carry some form of pedigree, but their goal differentials have been ghastly this season.

I think that Hamonic should be dropped down to the third pairing (I actually prefer him being traded) while you promote Andersson to play with Hanifin. They looked like a good pairing while they were together for a while, and I would like to see how Hanifin responds away from Hamonic, and how Andersson responds with CONSISTENT increased responsibilities and higher levels of competition. We have seen Andersson on the top pairing for a few games in a row at most, but I would really like to see how he does on the 2nd pairing for a long stretch.


And yeah, keep Brodie. Re-sign him. Pay that man his money. Hopefully it isn't too much, but Brodie has been good.

[ricardodw]

Ten games left before trading deadline

SJS
Nashville
at Vancouver
at SJS
at LA
at Ana
Chi
Ana
Bos
@ Det

Only Vancouver and Boston currently in a playoff spot

Does it make a difference for the Flames at the deadline if the they go 8-2 and are a comfortable playoff team or go 5-5 and still on the bubble ?

The bubble is really large this year with 10 teams within 9 pts. Vancouver 64 at the top of the bubble is 9 points ahead of Nashville (55) at the bottom of the bubble.

The schedule will have a lot of bubble teams playing each other with someone picking up points....and loser points.

[GreenLantern2814]

The whole league is wide open this year. Nobody's a clear cut favorite, and we're tracking to play the Oilers in the first round.

Something needs to happen to upgrade this group. I don't know what, and it can't cost too much (Kylington is a deal breaker) but we can't send this group into the post season with one hand tied behind their back.

[codynw]

Easily Brodie imo. Brodie's style of play will just age better than Hamonic's. Brodie is playing maybe as good as he ever has right now, while Hamonic is already showing signs of slowing down.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Brodie, and for age alone.

Brodie has a lot of tread life left.

Hamonic could hit the wall any day.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Ten games left before trading deadline

SJS
Nashville
at Vancouver
at SJS
at LA
at Ana
Chi
Ana
Bos
@ Det

Only Vancouver and Boston currently in a playoff spot

Does it make a difference for the Flames at the deadline if the they go 8-2 and are a comfortable playoff team or go 5-5 and still on the bubble ?

The bubble is really large this year with 10 teams within 9 pts. Vancouver 64 at the top of the bubble is 9 points ahead of Nashville (55) at the bottom of the bubble.

The schedule will have a lot of bubble teams playing each other with someone picking up points....and loser points.

I don’t want my GM making franchise altering decisions based on a 10 game sample.

Hasn’t he seen enough of this team to know what they need?

[GullFoss]

Treliving needs to trade both for picks at the deadline. If he wants to re-sign one in the off-season , great.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Treliving needs to trade both for picks at the deadline. If he wants to re-sign one in the off-season , great.

That ain’t happening. We’re in a playoff race, we’re not sellers. You’ve got a total misread of the situation I guess.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Incredible results in this poll considering how many people wanted Brodie gone at any cost not that long ago. Really puts his season in perspective. He's been excellent

[icecube]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Incredible results in this poll considering how many people wanted Brodie gone at any cost not that long ago. Really puts his season in perspective. He's been excellent

Johnny Gaudreau says hello from the future. Maybe from a different city, but we'll see.

Important to remember that most players have disappointing seasons for one reason or another throughout their career.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by icecube

Johnny Gaudreau says hello from the future. Maybe from a different city, but we'll see.

Important to remember that most players have disappointing seasons for one reason or another throughout their career.

Agreed, and none of us really know what players are dealing with physically, emotionally or mentally. Always lots of smart guy assumptions made though.

[BigBrodieFan]

Originally Posted by flameester

Can't understand why nobody 'BBF' didn't bring this up.

Sorry first time trying to do this.[URL="http://www.tsn.ca/giordano-and-brodie-pairing-continues-to-carry-calgary-1.1435356"]http

If you are asking why I didn’t bring this up (not sure by the wording), it’s because I have known, since TJ started, how much he brings to this team. I have watched for years as he defends the NHL’s best players, tirelessly. I have watched him rack up top 10 minutes in the NHL and I’ve watched him work his ass off. I have also watched the people on several Hockey forums say the ugliest things about him, from ‘worthless’ to ‘f off and die.’ This year I watched 5 games where he was out and the Flames lost those 5 games, with some fans actually saying they missed him. I have consistently pointed out his strong points with articles, stats, and emotion. However, regardless of what I say, y’all will love him when he has a perfect game, and hate him when he makes a mistake. So.. why bother?

I think most Flames fans have realized his value and consistent play over the past 10 years in the Flames organization.

And like I have said before, I will be BBF regardless of what team he plays for.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

That ain’t happening. We’re in a playoff race, we’re not sellers. You’ve got a total misread of the situation I guess.

Do you have the ability to make a point without coming across as so arrogant?

But since you've got a misread on history, it's not without precedent. See Glencross in 2015.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Rando

Do you have the ability to make a point without coming across as so arrogant?

But since you've got a misread on history, it's not without precedent. See Glencross in 2015.

Unless the Flames are out of the playoff picture completely or bring in another RD, there is no way they trade two RDs for picks.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Let’s keep in mind the Brodie haters were a vocal minority. The majority of this board has appreciated him the whole time.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Rando

Do you have the ability to make a point without coming across as so arrogant?

But since you've got a misread on history, it's not without precedent. See Glencross in 2015.

The idea that Treliving who loves to stack his defense will deal one or both of his right side top 4 defensemen while we’re in the middle of a playoff race is preposterous. I’m not sure how it’s arrogant to recognize that reality. He’s on record saying he’s looking to add this deadline, not subtract.

Not my fault the Debbie downers who want to rebuild in the middle of a playoff race are out of touch with the reality of the situation. And for the record I do think Treliving will make some changes this summer, but calling for him to deal top 4 defensemen for picks right now is just downright stupid. Sorry I’m blunt about it. Not sure why that would need to be sugar coated.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Rando

Do you have the ability to make a point without coming across as so arrogant?

But since you've got a misread on history, it's not without precedent. See Glencross in 2015.

Not a good comparison.

Glencross wasn't contributing to the team in any positive manner anymore. He didn't contribute to Washington either. He didn't get an NHL contract the next season. His time was done.

Brodie and Hamonic are contributors and they'll both be in the NHL next year. They still have something left to give. Brodie more so than Hamonic but Hamonic will be around for another two or three years.

[Strange Brew]

A lot of us rue the failed Kadri trade and how it might have improved the team, but it would have cost us the guy who IMO has been our best defenseman this year. If you think the back end was bad on Saturday...

I like Brodie's game a lot but it would be revisionist not to acknowledge he hasn't always been consistent here. Hopefully that is behind us.

[GullFoss]

It makes no sense to keep two UFA pending defensemen on a team that has no hope of making noise in the playoffs.

1) The team's goal differential suggests this is not a playoff caliber team. The team might sneak into the playoffs and have coin-flip odds to win a round or two given how weak the division is. But you'd have to be nuts to think this iteration of the flames could challenge against St Louis, Colorado, Boston, Tampa, Toronto, Washington or Pittsburgh.

2) The teams star players have been atrocious. In almost any playoff series the flames could match up against in the first round (St Louis, Colorado, Edmonton, Vegas, Vancouver), the top two players on the ice are probably from the other team.

3) The flames don't have an ace in the hole - a hot goalie or a game breaker where you might even think, "well maybe there's a chance for something special here" as a dark horse. There's no Quick, Kane, Crosby, Theodore, Price, Kipper, etc

If Treliving is intellectually honest, he'd be a seller at the deadline.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

It makes no sense to keep two UFA pending defensemen on a team that has no hope of making noise in the playoffs.

1) The team's goal differential suggests this is not a playoff caliber team. The team might sneak into the playoffs and have coin-flip odds to win a round or two given how weak the division is. But you'd have to be nuts to think this iteration of the flames could challenge against St Louis, Colorado, Boston, Tampa, Toronto, Washington or Pittsburgh.

2) The teams star players have been atrocious. In almost any playoff series the flames could match up against in the first round (St Louis, Colorado, Edmonton, Vegas, Vancouver), the top two players on the ice are probably from the other team.

3) The flames don't have an ace in the hole - a hot goalie or a game breaker where you might even think, "well maybe there's a chance for something special here" as a dark horse. There's no Quick, Kane, Crosby, Theodore, Price, Kipper, etc

If Treliving is intellectually honest, he'd be a seller at the deadline.

Let’s clarify a couple of things here. Brodie has been very good. He and Gio have been absolutely dependable. The other 4 D have been getting shredded. The article about the top pairing above tells you a lot.

I would like to see the Flames keep Brodie for sure.

I understand the line of thinking that if you knew the playoffs were out of the question, and wanted to gain an asset, you could see if he is open to a trade. Reality is that the return in these cases often varies based on re-signing.

But there is a good person and a good player, and if you want him back next year, and he is not interested in a trade, then IMO you respect the player and trading him is not on the table.