[PGT] Oilers 8 Flames 3 everything is fine

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't now how I'm being forgiving. I've stated Neal was a mistake. And a bad enough mistake that, unless the owners were ok buying him out, the Lucic deal, or one like it was the only possible choice.

But well done making sure your look at recent performance includes Neal's only decent game in the last 20.

Last 20 games, 10 points, including 4 in one game. Excluding that game he has 6 points in his last 19.

He is what he is.

Which is literally twice as many as Lucic in the same span.

there is no defending that deal any longer. There is no way that the Flames are better off with Lucic than Neal at this point when Lucic just finished proving the one thing he could have offered the team, he didn't.

His contract is worse even if a tad cheaper, he cant play any longer in any sort of role beyond being "a guy", he plays a position the club is already deep at, and he no longer will stick up for team mates in the games where he is needed the most.

Neal may only be a PP specialist now, but that is miles and miles more than Looch can offer.

Just a dreadful trade by BT. Hand cuffing the team for 4 more years. At least with Neal his buyout is becoming palatable if not being more tradeable after a 20 goal season. Holland took Treliving to the woodshed on this one.

This team has a huge pile of junk at the bottom end and Lucic is the biggest part of that pile.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Both are awful. Neal basically can't play 5 on 5 hockey.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Both are awful. Neal basically can't play 5 on 5 hockey.

One player is clearly worse than the other.

Clearly.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

My fear with replacing Treliving is that there are far more bad GMs in this league than good. I think of Treliving as an intelligent manager, but one who has also made every mistake a GM can make along the way.

I think it likely gets worse here if we swap managers. I just hope Treliving has run out of mistakes to learn from.

Damning with faint praise.

[SmoggyFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

It appears my birthday luck has sadly run out. Sorry folks.

You and me both. I turned 28, and the oilers put up 8 on us.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

One player is clearly worse than the other.

Clearly.

Yup - and it's the player that doesn't get to eat popcorn in the press box

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Treliving saw first hand in Phoenix when a respected head coach wins a power struggle with a GM and it sure looks to me like he's gone out of his way in Calgary to avoid hiring experienced and respected coaches that may have roster preferences and their own ideas about what's required to win in today's NHL.

If that's what's happening then the president needs to step in and get rid of Treliving. But we all know incompetence sits in the president's office in Ken King.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Just saying, even though Neal didn't meet standards and expectations last season the Flames were a 107 point team.
And in a world where the Flames swapped him with Lucic, they are on pace for 92 points.

come on, you are smarter than that

Neal barely played

Top players are nowhere near where they were last season and it has nothing to do with Neal.

Gaudreau was 4th in MVP voting last year, ahead of McDavid...where does he rank this year? top 100?

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by chedder

If that's what's happening then the president needs to step in and get rid of Treliving. But we all know incompetence sits in the president's office in Ken King.

Actually, John Bean is President and CEO.
Ken King is Vice-Chair of CSEC.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by zamler

Lucic didn't want to be hard on his buddy buddy Oiler friends so he did nothing. I can't think of a more disgraceful performance.

Honestly, I don't understand how people can defend the Lucic trade considering the one thing he actually could contribute in doing, which is being physical, never happens. Buddy gets called up, and has down more than Lucic has all season long in just three games.

Neal was crap here, but the fact is he has been a scorer in his career, and he is scoring this season once again up in Edmonton. The potential for him to rebound on the goal sheet was always there.

Trading him for a player with no offense potential whatsoever, and frankly is a useless big AND slow body, is Treliving showing that he's not that special of a GM honestly. He's been around long enough now that the team should be further ahead in than it is since the rebuild phase is now over. Over his tenure, he's shown he's terrible in UFA signings, batting average in trades, pretty good at resigning players, but bad in hiring coaches, and has only made it past the first round once; which was a lightning in a bottle type of season.

The Lucic trade was horrible since day one, and there's really no valid excuse for it that justifies it. Flames would've been better off ethier keeping him around if they couldn't find a trade partner, or simply buy him out.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Yup - and it's the player that doesn't get to eat popcorn in the press box

Lucic was eating popcorn on the Flames bench watching his skilled teammates do their impersonation of the player Milan Lucic used to be.

[activeStick]

Attended a party last night and was annoyed that I couldn't watch the game. Thank goodness I couldn't, in hindsight.

[jmac98]

The Neal/Lucic trade caught me off guard when it happened. I would have rather kept Neal personally in that deal, but at the end of the day opinions on whether sour dough or rye is better on a turd sandwich really matters not. Neither are desired.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Attended a party last night and was annoyed that I couldn't watch the game. Thank goodness I couldn't, in hindsight.

For the 3rd time in their last six games (Montreal and Ottawa) the Flames with a complete no-show. I don't think it's time to panic and more time to accept that this is simply not a good team and it's time to look to next season while letting this current roster play out the string.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

And I do believe that there is already an arrangement with Lucic such that the expansion issue isn't an issue..

Is there any truth to this? Or is it that fans want it to be true so it must be true?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

My fear with replacing Treliving is that there are far more bad GMs in this league than good. I think of Treliving as an intelligent manager, but one who has also made every mistake a GM can make along the way.

I think it likely gets worse here if we swap managers. I just hope Treliving has run out of mistakes to learn from.

This can't be overstated; not to mention the inevitable delay of a new guy evaluating what we have before doing anything. I feel as good about BT as I would anyone else...the only common denominators of this team's suckage are KK and ownership.

Trivia question:
What do all of the current top teams/recent cup winners have in common?

Spoiler!

Answer: at least one Top 2 draft pick (usually more) still impacting their roster in some form.

LVK and Detroit are the only exception, but they are the exception to a lot of rules (DET was pretty much fully assembled pre-cap era, LVK are just a unicorn).

One could argue NAS - 2OA Legwand was their very first year, and they achieved sustained success for long after his useful lifespan (which was never really 2OA calibre

DAL, ARI, and VAN could become exceptions, too. I'm not holding my breath for any of them, though.


Partial credit if you answered "they're not in Canada". BT's been fine if you consider the double whammy.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by stang

Is there any truth to this? Or is it that fans want it to be true so it must be true?

Why wouldn't he waive?

Also, does it even cost the Flames? likely not...seems most likely the Flames are losing a dman no matter what

this is and has always been the most overblown thing about Lucic

What 7 forwards are the Oilers gonna protect now that they are so lucky not to protect Lucic?

McDavid
Drai
?

[1Nite]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Why wouldn't he waive?

Also, does it even cost the Flames? likely not...seems most likely the Flames are losing a dman no matter what

this is and has always been the most overblown thing about Lucic

What 7 forwards are the Oilers gonna protect now that they are so lucky not to protect Lucic?

McDavid
Drai
?

Elite players like rnh, yamamoto, kaveman and.....

[kurwamac]

Time for Stone in - Kylington out to the AHL.

[Manhattanboy]

I mentioned this in the other thread.

Add Tkachuk’s contract to the list of Treliving’s failures as GM.

Our captain in waiting isn’t even locked up as a Flame for the long term.