Coaching, leadership and a top 5 list

[Snuffleupagus]

Not just the debacle tonight but this team needs to be "pumped" and ready to play at the opening face off, Ward, Gio and even Monahan should have this team ready each and every night yet most nights they are not, how many times this year are they dominated at the start or when they do start strong they fall asleep (Ottawa game comes to mind) and get boot forked the rest of the way.

Might not be popular but big changes are needed to get this team going.

1) get a real coach
2) remove the C from Gio
3) trade Monahan for someone with a heart
4) get Gaudreau a psychologist
5) give Lucic a lobotomy to erase all memory's of former buddy teammates

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

1) get a real coach 100%
2) remove the C from Gio Give it to Tkachuk
3) trade Monahan for someone with a heart I'm not ready to give up on him yet
4) get Gaudreau a psychologist on a bus to Philadelphia
5) give Lucic a lobotomy to erase all memory's of former buddy teammates to any team that will take him

Answers in red.

[Vinny01]

If this team does anything less than win a round in the playoffs they should

1. Hire a legit coach
2. Trade Johnny
3. Trade Gio
4. Make Tkachuk the captain and focal point of the team

[bubbsy]

Meh, when there's so many points, you gotta start looking at the decision maker at the top.

Treliving can go.

[TheSquatch]

Coach is looking like an issue. Hanifin having more than 3 minutes of ice tonight is a joke. Players not ready for the puck drop, again.

Johnny can just go. He's obviously unhappy here, disengaged as could be. His game tonight wasn't just soft, it was pathetic, shift after shift.

Lucic can sit a game or two for this effort, but we're stuck with him. Still take him over Neal though I'm not sure why at this point.

The team is mediocre. Flames best guys aren't as good as the league's best guys, and the depth guys are just that. Lots of very replaceable parts. Rieder, Ryan, at this point Backlund, Hamonic and Hanifin, Jankowski.

The best people on the team, Lindholm, Tkachuk, maybe Mangiapane and Rittich, and Rasmus Andersson, are good quality NHLers, but not really "stars" and our star checked out, he's playing rec hockey.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Meh, when there's so many points, you gotta start looking at the decision maker at the top.

Treliving can go.

I think he gets the summer to fix things.

At the end of the day will this organization hire anyone other than Conroy for the job if they let him go?

I think Treliving gets the summer and if the team disappoints next year he is fired and Conroy gets the interim tag

[TheSquatch]

None of it matters because ownership and upper management are, and always have been, totally content to make the playoffs here and there, because "you never know". There's never been a rebuild, it's always been "win now", and the result is that the team never got too many high picks, and seemingly squandered a few of those (Jankowski, Bennett) to boot.

After the Dougie Hamilton trade, I was all-in on Treliving. Free agent signings have not worked out, and he needed to get some stuff done last year that he didn't manage whether it was his fault or not, it didn't happen.

Now we have Lucic for ever. Johnny is ... gone. He isn't even trying out there. Monahan doesn't have a line because of it. The team has 2/3 of 2 lines right now, it's awful. And the defense "just suddenly" looks terrible.

Tre's got a lot to answer for here, not sure how much time they give him.

[Jore]

We've watched core a while now, and the problems have been obvious since the colorado sweep, except now we have a new problem: the coach is worse.

1. get their first real coach since 2007

2. get a 1st line centre

3. trade hanifin for a rw

4. trade hamonic for picks

[Classic_Sniper]

Flames were beaten mostly because of 2 players. Draisaitl was the best player in the game again and looked outshone the best player in the game in McDavid.

Fact is the Flames don’t have dominant centers like this and haven’t since the 80’s. I know there’s a lot of Monahan fans here and he’s improved in some aspects of his game. But too often he’s unnoticeable unless he scores a goal.

Team needs more than just that. Draisaitl put up a playoff Mackinnon like performance tonight against Monahan and it’s disappointing that the Flames don’t have a big horse up the middle like this. Lindholm is the best and most complete center on this team but he doesn’t have that dominating factor that the top guys have.

I just can’t see the Flames going far in the playoffs without that guy. Elite #1 centers win championships and if I’m Treliving, I’m trading whoever on this team to get that. Flames played Lindholm, Monahan, Ryan and Backlund up the middle tonight and they got absolutely trounced.


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[Igottago]

Strongly agree with #1, don't disagree with the rest but those can be done in the offseason.

I feel like there's so much uncertainty with the team from management down. They don't know who they are. Contender or pretender? Missing superstar gonna show up? Interim head coach. Buyers or sellers at the deadline? Its great to be patient but this team is floating around without a real identity IMO. At the very least a good proven NHL head coach can give them that.

The only clarity around the team is that when people think Flames, they think Tkchuck. He's the most important player on the team.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If this team does anything less than win a round in the playoffs they should

1. Hire a legit coach
2. Trade Johnny
3. Trade Gio
4. Make Tkachuk the captain and focal point of the team

[Looch City]

You don't even need a top 5. One will do:

1. Move the team to a new city.

[Inferno]

Despite his record the longer Ward has been Head Coach the more I'm not sold on him. So many horrible decisions.

There's upgrades out there and if Treliving hasn't already talked to them he better be now. Hoping they're still available or other options become available in the summer isn't smart.

[browna]

I said this years ago here in the GG era, but this roster needs a hardass coach to motivate pre and post game, and in game. A coach players can trust because he's had NHL success before and his methods and proven and consistently are proven and player's buy in.

Hartley, for his many other faults, could do that, but did it the wrong way.

So BT goes and gets the tactician and text booked based coach, and tune him out long before the second season started.

So BT goes back to a guy like Peters.

Ward then is installed and then after the music and soccer games in practice lightens the mood for a few weeks, but they don't seem to have answers or adjustments when things go sideways within the game under Ward.

Get your coach who players have to buy into (Gallant has proven methods with FLA and LV), get a finisher to play on the top line, and I think some of the swagger comes back and some of the other problems (like a suddenly shaky defense) fades away.

[868904]

If there is a top team that the Flames are similar to, it’s the Bruins.

Lindholm could evolve into a Bergeron
Tkachuk could evolve into Marchand
Monahan needs now to be at least on par with Krejci
Gaudreau needs to be the at Pasternak’s level (which he was last regular season)
The defense has similar pieces
The Bruins have an advantage in goal

The biggest difference to me is coaching.

The answer is available. Two elite coaches, two leaders for a team severely lacking in leadership (not a shot at Gio, he needs help)

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by 868904

If there is a top team that the Flames are similar to, it’s the Bruins.

Lindholm could evolve into a Bergeron
Tkachuk could evolve into Marchand
Monahan needs now to be at least on par with Krejci
Gaudreau needs to be the at Pasternak’s level (which he was last regular season)
The defense has similar pieces
The Bruins have an advantage in goal

The biggest difference to me is coaching.

The answer is available. Two elite coaches, two leaders for a team severely lacking in leadership (not a shot at Gio, he needs help)

Lets face facts.. the flames aren't remotely similar to the Bruins

[Manhattanboy]

Extend Chucky’s contract.

[stamps]

Flames beat them 3 times and were not as desperate …. Edmonton had something to prove …. agree Lucic was a non physical factor for whatever reason … Chucky Gio Buddy all good IMO … Dmen need to make better decisions … Johnny needs to somehow adjust to how teams are playing him this year, maybe a little help from our coaching or scouting staff ??

[868904]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Lets face facts.. the flames aren't remotely similar to the Bruins

2nd overall last season. Pretty much the same team.

[djsFlames]

This season has convinced me to get behind a chucky captaincy.

Last couple games his efforts on multiple front have been nothing short of inspiring.

Inspiring is what the team needs.

Also
Coach and a RW
Coach and a RW
Coach and a RW
Coach and a RW
Coach and a RW...

Maybe if I type it out enough....