[PGT] Edmonton Oilers lose the Stanley Cup | Flames 4 - Oilers 3 (SO)

[Major Major]

It's worth pointing out that McDavid telegraphs that play and then takes the tightest line possible. That's his m.o.

Gio reads that play and starts moving over before McDavid cuts over. His leg moving over is a function of taking that ice, which I think he's entitled to. McDavid is quicker than gio, but I absolutely believe that he takes the right defensive posture, and needed about a foot more ice to bump mcavi legally.

Calling it dirty or even reckless is being pretty dramatic. Not everything is a documentary. Dime a dozen play only made notable by the reaction on the bench.

Bad but understandable look though from a guy who hasn't played enough meaningful hockey to know that space and time shrink and people are going to start defending these lines more physically.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by timbit

Perfect body check. Primary contact and force is shoulder to chest.

According to Cassie Campbell-Pascal. According to the eyes of many others, primary contact is the chin and he still gets the knee to boot. It's not a good hit.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Major Major

It's worth pointing out that McDavid telegraphs that play and then takes the tightest line possible. That's his m.o.

Gio reads that play and starts moving over before McDavid cuts over. His leg moving over is a function of taking that ice, which I think he's entitled to. McDavid is quicker than gio, but I absolutely believe that he takes the right defensive posture, and needed about a foot more ice to bump mcavi legally.

Calling it dirty or even reckless is being pretty dramatic. Not everything is a documentary. Dime a dozen play only made notable by the reaction on the bench.

Bad but understandable look though from a guy who hasn't played enough meaningful hockey to know that space and time shrink and people are going to start defending these lines more physically.

Any other player and the comments would be about how he was lucky to avoid the brunt of a hip check. McDavid and it's how the defender should just let him go by.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

According to Cassie Campbell-Pascal. According to the eyes of many others, primary contact is the chin and he still gets the knee to boot. It's not a good hit.

MY EYES deemed it a shoulder to chest , well delivered and clean body check.

[flamesrule_kipper34]

Can everyone please stop with the incessant whining about Gio's so-called recklessness?

Game last night was awesome. Also loved Hamonic obliterating Neal in the first period, didn't see that mentioned and it was awesome!

[868904]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

According to Cassie Campbell-Pascal. According to the eyes of many others, primary contact is the chin and he still gets the knee to boot. It's not a good hit.

What would Cassie Campbell know about hitting?

According to the eyes of many, who? More of Sportsnet or Ray Ferraro, known Flames haters and Oiler fans? Always look deeper. There is no truth in the media anymore.

No suspension btw.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Would you not say that every time McHobo winds up in his own end to hit the neutral zone at full speed he is enacting an element recklessness?

Speed kills, that's a fact.

[ComixZone]

This is the same media that said jumping Tkachuk from behind and punching him in the back of the head 9-10 times was "the right thing to do".

They're all assclowns, and as I posted last night:



Keep crying Oiler fans. Keep crying media. Your tears sustain us.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by 868904

Speed kills, that's a fact.

Agreed.

Mass x Velocity= Net Force.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Not sure what that has to do with anything considering we are talking about incidents in the last two seasons.

I think Giordano is losing a step and his competitive nature won't let guys beat him so he reacts badly.

Good on him, that's the point of defending. Don't let yourself get beat. He must be losing a step awfully quick being just months removed from his norris trophy season though? Wait, so then how do those "other incidents" align with your conclusion if that was before he was losing a step? Doesn't add up.

Anyways. Better being on this end of the fence where your top defender is doing something than on your end where often the D just submit and allow themselves to get beat.

Also, in all fairness, your team doesn't have to deal with McDavid, so maybe respect the situation from the opponent's end. You have to do something to counteract the speed advantage.

Say you're a self respecting captain of a team facing your rival's top player in a tie game and you want to help your guys win. Would you stop yourself drifting in reverse to let him dash right by unimpeded just because he's turned on the jets?

I don't know, maybe you guys are incapable of thinking from any other perspective other than the "hard done by" Oilers perspective that your media sells to you, but I would hope that you are capable of it.

This and the kassian stuff, it's honestly over the top. Wake up and see that, man.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by timbit

Agreed.

Mass x Velocity= Net Force.

momentum

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

He has injured 4 or 5.

It's because of a pattern of reckless play. Last night when he stuck his leg out on McDavid is just another example.

Thankfully nothing happened and it should have been just a 2 minute minor, but you do that enough times and some of them turn out bad, like Koivu.

I'd be curious to see how many other players have been involved in this many injuries in such a short span. Can't think of any on the Canadian teams.

He has been involved in play on plays that have injured 4-5 sure. But you could probably say that for many players.

He has been reckless - in any way - for 2.

There is nothing about yesterday that was “reckless”. It’s an unfortunate part of a fast game - nothing more.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by 868904

What would Cassie Campbell know about hitting?

According to the eyes of many, who? More of Sportsnet or Ray Ferraro, known Flames haters and Oiler fans? Always look deeper. There is no truth in the media anymore.

No suspension btw.

Johnny Gaudreau had his finger broken on a slash with no call or suspension, so no suspension doesn't mean a whole lot.

I'm just going off what was said at the time of the hit on reddit, youtube and elsewheres on the internent.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Johnny Gaudreau had his finger broken on a slash with no call or suspension, so no suspension doesn't mean a whole lot.

I'm just going off what was said at the time of the hit on reddit, youtube and elsewheres on the internent.

Don't cherry-pick stupidity.

[dino7c]

You guys are letting Oiler and Canuck fans troll you into a debate...it's been going on all day.

This shouldn't be the story of the game, don't let them suck you in

Big win, 3-0 vs. Oilers

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Gio definitely has a history and a tendency to stick the leg out when he gets beat. I don't think (based on the way things happen when he does it, not on me knowing him at all) that there is any "intent" of conscious maliciousness in him doing it, he's not trying to make a dirty play. BUT, his lack of intent, doesn't stop it from being dirty when he does it, and responsibility falls to him not to react in a dangerous way when he gets beat.

However, I'm not even sure I'd put the McD thing from last night in that category, and I'm not sure I see it even as the same type of leg extension as what we've seen him do in the past. It's more just a natural movement to turn with the play, and McD is also taking the risk to slip by him. If it wasn't for the fact it was McD, if it wasn't the cultural whine of the Oilers organization has created the past two years, and to some extent if it wasn't Gio because he now has a rep for this type of thing (which in fairness has been earned) this would be a nothing play. Not even worth a mention.

[Robo]

Oh great now we get to hear oiler fans complain about gio almost kneeing McDavid, jesus they always have something to complain about thankfully we play them again saturday so they can find something else to complain about during that game.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You guys are letting Oiler and Canuck fans troll you into a debate...it's been going on all day.

This shouldn't be the story of the game, don't let them suck you in

Big win, 3-0 vs. Oilers

You used to be such a sweet, wholesome little salt mound. What happened to you?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If you call him for the trapezoid, then the play stops before the puck is shot over the boards.

You can get two penalties on one play. But not in that instance.

That makes sense, thanks. It was such a bang-bang play that I wondered if it was possible to get 2 on it, but you're right.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

You used to be such a sweet, wholesome little salt mound. What happened to you?

I'm salty? You are the one going on all day about a nothing play by Gio