So who does Johnny fight when he throws a slew foot?
Slew foots are the cheapest GD play in hockey. They’re cheap and they’re dangerous. If Gaudreau threw one and got punched in the face he likely deserved it.
That’s all hypothetical whataboutism though. Because he wasn’t suspended recently, and isn’t running around proclaiming that all things being equal he’d do it all over again. The imbecile on your team got suspended for his cheap shot, and thinks he did no wrong.
Whatever happened to being accountable for your actions within the rules? Kassian got hit CLEAN. Does Kassian not like getting hit? He thinks he doesn’t deserve to get hit for some reason? Is he Wayne Gretzky? Or is he a buffoon that’s going to cost you guys games?
It’s all ridiculous. Especially coming from a fan base that enjoyed Esa Tikkanen for all those years, who virtually invented the super pest role.
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People that are fans of neither the Oilers or the Flames.
Kassian rag dolls Matthew Tkachuk so he wouldn't have to fight him.. Doesn't stand him up and face him just throws him down and hits him from behind. Gutless of Kassian, but he was actually the one who was avoiding getting punched.
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I haven’t heard Marchand or Wilson saying man that’s too far. Also haven’t heard actual fighters weigh in and say they expected skilled players to fight them. Guys like Big Ern would have been flattered at the attention.
Instead there are Al Bundys like Ferraro and Kesler living in imaginary pasts.
Ray Ferraro was a kinda skilled, pretty determined, very chippy player who drifted toward the tops of his team in PIMs and probably fought twice a year. In the 80s and 90s. 5 guys on each team ate knuckles on his behalf regularly. He sure as hell never fought a legit tough guy but I guarantee he carved a few with his stick when he could.
Kesler is worse. Maybe the dirtiest player of his era and again almost never fought. When he did it was at a time that suited, against a fellow chippy non fighter like Domi (woops) or gasp, Tkachuk (think Kesler forgot Tkachuk beat him at his own game when he commented? Me either) The dirtiest MF on the planet one playoff finally fought noted tough guy Ryan Johansen only after being called out plenty and (surprise) losing big and trying to turn his team around. Before it suited him his comments were an awful lot like ‘stay off the tracks’. He sure as F never answered to Austin Watson because hey he should fight.
When Tkachuk pulls someone’s hair, bites them or licks them we can talk moral right and wrong. This is all just sour grapes from those who’s guy lost.
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Flipped over to SNET and caught the ending of a spot advertising the never heard of before recovery from a career ending injury to McBaby to be aired sometime Friday as a prelude to the All-Star Game. Anyone know what time it will be on? I surely don't want to miss that glorious and historical spectacle.
What is wrong with a predatory hit if it’s clean? There is nothing wrong with singling a guy out and rocking him all game as long as you stay within the rules.
Ferland’s hits on Bieksa we’re all predatory and clean and everyone loved it.
Regher and his tunnel of death for Hemsky got more play than cotton eye joe at Flames games over the course of a few seasons. And no Oilers did anything about it, anytime.
The one that still bugs me was when Stempniak just hammered Ference one on one, and Ference forced Stempniak into a fight...no idea why Hartley didn’t send anyone back at Ference or an Oilers skill player that game, or any of the other meetings that year.
Stempniak had two career fights, it would be the todays equivalent of Hamonic doing that to RNH.
Edit: Here it is
A poster above said it best, decent, smart hockey players don’t get clocked like that 3 times in a game. Kassian put himself into each of those positions and got hit cleanly each time. The third one was most surprising because given his antics after the previous hit, you figured he would be zeroed in on Tkachuk, or even chased him down again (though I think that third one rattled Kassian even more than the other two). Not sure why the snowflakes crying about fairness and predatory hits are defending a guy dull enough (nevermind his past very checkered history) to put himself in that position.
I haven’t heard Marchand or Wilson saying man that’s too far. Also haven’t heard actual fighters weigh in and say they expected skilled players to fight them. Guys like Big Ern would have been flattered at the attention.
Instead there are Al Bundys like Ferraro and Kesler living in imaginary pasts.
Ray Ferraro was a kinda skilled, pretty determined, very chippy player who drifted toward the tops of his team in PIMs and probably fought twice a year. In the 80s and 90s. 5 guys on each team ate knuckles on his behalf regularly. He sure as hell never fought a legit tough guy but I guarantee he carved a few with his stick when he could.
Kesler is worse. Maybe the dirtiest player of his era and again almost never fought. When he did it was at a time that suited, against a fellow chippy non fighter like Domi (woops) or gasp, Tkachuk (think Kesler forgot Tkachuk beat him at his own game when he commented? Me either) The dirtiest MF on the planet one playoff finally fought noted tough guy Ryan Johansen only after being called out plenty and (surprise) losing big and trying to turn his team around. Before it suited him his comments were an awful lot like ‘stay off the tracks’. He sure as F never answered to Austin Watson because hey he should fight.
When Tkachuk pulls someone’s hair, bites them or licks them we can talk moral right and wrong. This is all just sour grapes from those who’s guy lost.
You really have to dig deeper on these comments and not be a freaking lemming and listen and believe everything you hear.
Ferraro works for TSN, he has daily radio hits on TSN radio stations. Last I checked these were in Edmonton and Vancouver and not in Calgary. As far as I know, Ferraro does not do any radio hits on Calgary radio. He panders to the markets that he works in because it pays the bills. Yes I know he's not hurting for money, but hey a job is a job and money is money. You can never have too much.
As for Kesler, there is so much bias here, you'd have to be an idiot to take anything he says as the truth:
1) he is friends with Kassian;
2) he is starting a new podcast, hmmm what should he talk about? Something boring and vanilla like the Seattle expansion team or something polarizing and controversial like Tkachuk/Kassian? Which side should he take? Maybe get Tkachuk on to talk? Nope, they don't like me (see next point), wait, i'm friends with Zack, this should be easy;
3) Kesler got beat down by 3 Tkachucks in this career, old man Walt and both sons.
Who other "impartial" voice of reason do the Oilers have spewing their propaganda? Or right, Scottie Upshall, life long Oiler fan who's last kick at the can in the NHL was with the Oilers. Yeah, no bias there.
Anyone else? Did Jason Strudwick say anything?
OH right, there's the impartial and professional Oilers media.
In today's world, there is no impartiality in the "media". There's a reason for everything that is said in the media, just follow the money.
You don't hear much support for Tkachuk, because the Flames aren't a pathetic organization worried about what others think. Treliving isn't out there calling in air support. Tkachuk doesn't even give a ####, it's not worth his time. He's got better things to do like enjoying his all star game in his hometown.
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Why do some people completely ignore that a neutral party, the NHL Player Safety Department, made and completed a thorough investigation?
When has the DOPS ever just not spun a wheel to pick a punishment. Been a running joke for years. No two identical plays are disciplined the same, and the punishment differs depending on who’s on the receiving end.
People that are fans of neither the Oilers or the Flames.
Seems to me by neutral you mean people that agree with your view
Fans aren’t neutral
Generally tkachuk is a guy most fans dislike unless he’s on their team
That ain’t neutral
When has the DOPS ever just not spun a wheel to pick a punishment. Been a running joke for years. No two identical plays are disciplined the same, and the punishment differs depending on who’s on the receiving end.
While the punishments seem random, they do a pretty good job of identifying what is, and what is not dirty. Kassian couldn't handle getting taken apart in the game, so he snapped. He has thrown those exact hits (and much worse) in his career, so excuse us if we don't shed a tear for him.
What's truly surprising is how the Oilers felt the need to rev up their "poor us" schtick over this. The victim complex they have is truly impressive after winning FOUR draft lotteries.
When has the DOPS ever just not spun a wheel to pick a punishment. Been a running joke for years. No two identical plays are disciplined the same, and the punishment differs depending on who’s on the receiving end.
So instead we should pay attention to the view of fans and goofs like Kevin Bieksa
This whole thing is just embarrassing for Oiler fans
A fan base that had managed to reach new levels of hypocricy
Which is saying something
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When has the DOPS ever just not spun a wheel to pick a punishment. Been a running joke for years. No two identical plays are disciplined the same, and the punishment differs depending on who’s on the receiving end.
I’ll go with never. The only running joke for years in the NHL has been the Oilers.
The thing is I don’t like the hit
For me it’s the type of hit than should be a penalty because it was more than required to regain possession
But under the current rules there was nothing wrong with it
And what Kassian did was far worse
And the all the talk of some so called code is just irritating
#### the code
There isn’t one
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It really is bizarre how this has all played out. Just with the characters involved.
I do wonder if you transplant Tkachuk to say, Philadelphia and Kassian to Pittsburgh and re-do the whole thing, would it have the same obsurd legs that it does here? I'm basically blaming the Edmonton media and organization for being a bunch of babies. Nicholson calling Bill Daly to complain? Give me a break.
The closest thing to a rational unbiased take was Burke on Tim and Sid. Burke said he didn't have a problem with what either player did. Tkachuk knew exactly what he was doing, the first hit probably could have been a penalty, but the other 2 were fine. And Kassian snapped. Its not the first time he snapped and it wont be the last. Tkachuk is smart enough to know that was a distinct possibility. He was probably counting on it.
There are 3 levels of "policing"
1 is the players
2 is the referees
3 is the league
You can argue the first failed. It wasn't a fight, so Lindholm was trying to get in there to tie up Kassian, but Neal held him off.
The second linesman was late as hell, but I think they did the best job they could. Why Kassian only got 4 and 10 is beyond me, but you can say the referees did part of there job. The league then did their job by laying down the suspension.
That really should have been it, another chapter in the battle of Alberta. There would be a thread on here about how Kassian is a meathead loose cannon and Tkachuk was lucky not to have a concussion, but he plays that type of game so there ya go. But because the Oilers organization and by association the media is so incredibly insecure this is still a story and St. Kassian is curing cancer somewhere while Adolf Tkachuk goes around kicking puppies.
Its just so bizarre but not entirely surprising.
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Seems to me by neutral you mean people that agree with your view
Fans aren’t neutral
Generally tkachuk is a guy most fans dislike unless he’s on their team
That ain’t neutral
They are neutral on the two teams involved. If any non-Flames fan dislikes Tkachuk it is because of his actions, not who he plays for.
The whole point of my post was that I found it bizarre that a Flames fan can't understand why much of the hockey world isn't coming down on Kassian for this incident.
It's because they also don't like how Tkachuk and how he plays the game.
Clearly you know that based on your post so my comment wasn't directed at you.
It's ridiculous that we're still talking about this. What a sad, pathetic bunch the Oilers and their media cheerleaders are. Most embarrassing franchise in pro sports, hands down.
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