[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames have interest in Toffoli (and other RHS top 6 forwards)

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I agree with yo that they should only make any trade if the price is right, and this might not be the best year to trade picks. Still, why so negative? They've beaten to Oilers twice. The Flames have gone 7-3-0 in their last ten. They are tied for top spot in the Pacific, and they are top ten in the NHL right now. The team is trending to make the playoffs in back to back years for the first time since 2009. Lots to be happy about, even if the Flames had struggled to score, or win a playoff series haha.

I’m a believer that good organizations build from within, compile assets, and then move those assets in significant trades for players in their prime (Stone, O’Reilly, Kane as examples). Trades that can push an already good team right into contention.

Bad organizations run themselves dry trading those same assets for low-ceiling players like Hamonic, Toffoli, and Lazar. They have to do this to fill out their depth because they don’t keep their own picks. They’re constantly running on borrowed money, and then they wonder why they never take the next step into contender status.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think it's more that Flames fans really don't care about Tyler Myers or anyone trying to compare a 29 year old defenseman to a 22 year old defenseman in any way.

Do you ever get tired of being absolutely wrong on everything?

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Tkachuk-Getzlaf-Bennett

2 set-up men, no trigger. Bennett can’t put the puck in the ocean .



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[mennoknight]

I will dance naked in the streets if Getzlaf comes here. I don't care if he's old and bald, he rules.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I’m a believer that good organizations build from within, compile assets, and then move those assets in significant trades for players in their prime (Stone, O’Reilly, Kane as examples). Trades that can push an already good team right into contention.

Bad organizations run themselves dry trading those same assets for low-ceiling players like Hamonic, Toffoli, and Lazar. They have to do this to fill out their depth because they don’t keep their own picks. They’re constantly running on borrowed money, and then they wonder why they never take the next step into contender status.

I don't disagree with you. I have just noticed that you have been very dire lately. I am all for a good old fashion my team sucks pitty party, but I don't think this teams current formation is bad at all. Actually, I think that the Flames should be a playoff team for the next 3 years after this year. Primarily because they've done an excellent job at building within.

8 of 13 forwards were drafted in house
4 of 7 Defencemen
1/2 Goales.

15/22 is a respectable amount of internal development.

Moreover, only four players have been brought in by trade, and only one player was acquired with picks.

I don't get the sense that the Flames are running on borrowed money at all. The only reason their prospect pool seems grim is because all of their top prospects have graduated, or by and large are out of sight because of their injury status, or the teams they play on.

Its not like the Flames are hurting for picks last year or even this year or any year except for the 2018 draft. and even in the 2018 draft Mathias Emilio Pettersen is being reported, by third party scouts , as trending to be an NHLer .

The Flames have 8 picks next draft, I am fine with using any of them but the 1st. This is a win now team.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Do you ever get tired of being absolutely wrong on everything?

I never get tired of getting under your skin if that's what you are asking.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Since1984

Jankowski + 3rd round pick for Toffoli

Bennett for Josh Anderson

Trades done, everyone rejoices

Columbus is not a seller.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I would only be okay with Toffoli if the acquisition cost is low. As some others have said I don't think he's going to move the needle one would expect if the price is a 2nd round pick +. This is not a once elite player that's hit a rough patch. He's always been a middle of the lineup player that's not going to set the league on fire with a change of scenery.

I'm assuming that Toffoli is being targeted for the reason he is a good compromise and will not cost the 1st overall. If the 1st overall is in play, they should have gone after Hall hard. Otherwise, bigger fish like Kreider should be the target.

Toffoli at anything more than a 2nd+ would be an overpayment by the Flames, who haven't shown they are willing to make overpayments for deadline acquisitions thus far. It would be a huge turn (and one I don't want to see) to see the organization throw a 1st at Toffoli.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

No to trades around the edges. Toffoli doesn't move the needle....waste of a pick if they move it for him. This team isn't good enough.

Anderson is someone worth a trade though.

I am so sick of the negative Nancy's saying stupid things like "This team isn't good enough" when we are currently 1st in the Pacific and have one of the best records in the NHL since Ward took over. Like why do you even watch or pay attention then? Surely there are better things to do then bitch about a team you don't think can win.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I never get tired of getting under your skin if that's what you are asking.

Why do you want to wear my skin? Why are you like this?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Why do you want to wear my skin? Why are you like this?

I just gotta be me.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Columbus is not a seller.

That is a hockey trade

[SeanCharles]

I honestly believe our biggest issue is we only have 1 RH shot in our top group of players.

The shooting angles, ability to do one timers, board play and body positioning for protecting the puck are all impacted by the handedness of the players.

We are too easy to defend because we don't have enough guys throughout the lineup to compliment all our lefthanded talent.

How many of the teams in hockey nowadays have all but 1 of their top offensive players shoot the same way?

Pasternak/Bergeron/Krejci, MacKinnon/Donskoi/Makar, Ovechkin/Oshie/Wilson/Carlson, Stamkos/Point, Nylander/Marner/Barrie, Giroux/Konecny, Panarin/Strome/DeAngelo, Seguin/Klingberg, Wheeler/Scheifele, Barzal/Eberle/Pulock, Stome/DeBrincat, Perron/Pietrangelo, Connolly/Trochek/Ekblad, Hornqvist/Rust/Letang, Eichel/Reinhart/Ristolainen, Atkinson/Bjorkstand/Atkinson/Jones, Weber/Gallagher/Petry/Suzuki/Armia, Gusev/Palmieri/Vatanen, Chabot/Pageau, Mantha/Hronek, Garland/Kessel/Schmaltz, Boeser/Virtanen, Stone/Marchessault, Arvidsson/Ellis/Forsberg, Burns/Labanc, Getzlaf/Rakell/Silfverberg, Doughty/Brown/Carter/Toffoli

There are only a few like us:

- Carolina with only Hamilton as a RH shot in their top group, but they also have Necas who is coming along nicely as a young up and comer.

- The Oilers well they have 2 of the best in McDavid and Draisatl and basically a patchworked team after that.

- Minnesota. Need I say more.

We have Lindholm and Ryan who has done admirably as a bottom 6 player but is not someone I would put in the same group as anyone mentioned above.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am so sick of the negative Nancy's saying stupid things like "This team isn't good enough" when we are currently 1st in the Pacific and have one of the best records in the NHL since Ward took over. Like why do you even watch or pay attention then? Surely there are better things to do then bitch about a team you don't think can win.

I don’t get the need to throw a label on people and call them stupid just because they don’t agree with you.

There are legitimate reasons to believe the team’s record under Ward does not reflect the quality of their play, and that there are bigger, more complex problems standing between the Flames and cup contention than a single 20G/20A winger can fix.

It’s not unreasonable to want to hold onto assets if you believe they’d be wasted “going for it” in a year where they’re not truly ready.

[sun]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Tkachuk-Getzlaf-Bennett

I put Bennett on the ####### line because that's the way he plays. The third player on a line is a compliment as much as anything else. Who on the flames would compliment Tkachuk and Getzlaf better than Bennett? Hard on the body, fast skater, willing to grind it out, gets under everyone's skin.

Honestly, imagine a top line of any team in the league playing that trio in the playoffs. For seven straight games. It would be a nightmare

The swagger that Getzlaf would add to this team would be amazing. Skilled, dirty, champion, Calgary ties. His number is already hanging from the rafters for crying out loud. Has he been rumoured to be available?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by sun

The swagger that Getzlaf would add to this team would be amazing. Skilled, dirty, champion, Calgary ties. His number is already hanging from the rafters for crying out loud. Has he been rumoured to be available?

No its purely speculation, based on the Ducks trajectory.

[JurassicTunga12]

Lets get toffoli AND kapanen

Prospect(Phillips or?) + pick for Toffoli

Hamonic + pick/prospect for Kapanen

Gaudreau - Monahan - Toffoli
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Kapanen
Mangiapane - Backlund - Dube
Lucic - Ryan - Bennett
xRieder/Rinaldo

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am so sick of the negative Nancy's saying stupid things like "This team isn't good enough" when we are currently 1st in the Pacific and have one of the best records in the NHL since Ward took over. Like why do you even watch or pay attention then? Surely there are better things to do then bitch about a team you don't think can win.

Well let’s trade our first for him then following that logic. What a dumbass comment. But typical post coming from you. Keep your head in the clouds #1 fan!!!! Wish we could all see this team through your rose colored glasses.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

...when given 6 minutes every few weeks to play on his off wing with the big boys

Bennett has been treated as a utility player to fill whatever short term gap this team has. IMO he is simply a LW. For some reason it’s okay for Gaudreau and Lucic and many other players in the league to be accepted as single position players, but not Bennett.

The Lindholm C trial is going very well. Knowing he works at C is vital info for the future of this team. The next thing I’d love to see is Bennett-Monahan-Gaudreau for 10 games. Give Johnny time to figure out new angles on his off wing, and let Bennett focus on what he does best.

Play Backlund with Jankowski. Maybe he gets off the snide. Maybe he doesn’t. Either way, it will give more valuable insight than plopping Bennett and Janko out together by default.

The best/worse case scenario of Toffoli is that he sparks this team to an another brief illusion of success before reverting to Brouwer v3.0 after he signs a silly extension



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For all the talk of Bennett not getting a chance with good linemates, he consistently squanders those opportunities by taking dumb tripping penalities 180 feet from his own net.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

I don’t get the need to throw a label on people and call them stupid just because they don’t agree with you.

There are legitimate reasons to believe the team’s record under Ward does not reflect the quality of their play, and that there are bigger, more complex problems standing between the Flames and cup contention than a single 20G/20A winger can fix.

It’s not unreasonable to want to hold onto assets if you believe they’d be wasted “going for it” in a year where they’re not truly ready.

I didn't call anyone stupid, I said it was stupid to say this team can't win anyrhing and it is. You cannot possibly know that. This is not the Devils or team buried near the bottom, we have seen time and time again lower seed teams even win Cups. I don't get the focus on negativity from some posters, hockey is supposed to be fun, not miserable.