63 Canadians killed after civilian airliner shot down.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Because Israel is there and not in those other places?

The US dropped the atomic bomb on Japan and then totally abandoned Asia until the Korean War (UN forces)

What are you talking about? The Americans occupied and reconstructed Japan, sent an occupation force to China, and was immediately involved in the Korean War.

What does Israel have to do with it?

[afc wimbledon]

I am still waiting for one of you to explain why 'we', the US specifically, are still involved massively in the Middle East, either with direct or indirect military involvement, troops, guns planes, sympathetic local stooges and Kings to keep the locals in check, when we gave that up in SE Asia Africa and the America's 50 years or so ago.

If it isn't the massive reserves of Oil why is that?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Because Israel is there and not in those other places?

The US dropped the atomic bomb on Japan and then totally abandoned Asia until the Korean War (UN forces)

I don't think that explains it, although it would be convenient, Japan and korea are close to Cambodia and Vietnam, India and Singapore are close to Myanmar but we don't care what any of them get up to and haven't since the fall of the USSR, no the Middle East is the only region we have grimly maintained our controlling interests in since we effectively gave up caring about the rest of the world, (ironically with the fall of the USSR and the 'west' leaving places like Vietnam and Cambodia to their own devices they have stopped disliking us and are now far more friendly then when we bombed the bejeesus out of them!!)

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I don't think that explains it, although it would be convenient, Japan and korea are close to Cambodia and Vietnam, India and Singapore are close to Myanmar but we don't care what any of them get up to and haven't since the fall of the USSR, no the Middle East is the only region we have grimly maintained our controlling interests in since we effectively gave up caring about the rest of the world, (ironically with the fall of the USSR and the 'west' leaving places like Vietnam and Cambodia to their own devices they have stopped disliking us and are now far more friendly then when we bombed the bejeesus out of them!!)

Lifing embargoes helped.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I am still waiting for one of you to explain why 'we', the US specifically, are still involved massively in the Middle East, either with direct or indirect military involvement, troops, guns planes, sympathetic local stooges and Kings to keep the locals in check, when we gave that up in SE Asia Africa and the America's 50 years or so ago.

If it isn't the massive reserves of Oil why is that?

Because of Israel for one. Because by their calculations what replaces unsupported regimes, regardless of how horrible they are, have the potential to be much worse is another. Also they don't want a Sunni and #####e originated cold war occurring between Iran and SA for regional domination. Because the place is a mess, regardless of the original cause, and they deem it will be better if they stay rather than walk away, even if the "better" is pretty bad.

If your logic was correct, we'd have been gone pretty much once OPEC became a thing. So it's clearly more than oil.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by nik-

Because of Israel for one. Because by their calculations what replaces unsupported regimes, regardless of how horrible they are, have the potential to be much worse is another. Also they don't want a Sunni and #####e originated cold war occurring between Iran and SA for regional domination. Because the place is a mess, regardless of the original cause, and they deem it will be better if they stay rather than walk away, even if the "better" is pretty bad.

If your logic was correct, we'd have been gone pretty much once OPEC became a thing. So it's clearly more than oil.

We don't care about India and Pakistan, the various border disputes between Cambodia and Thailand or the Sri Lankyan Civil war, the only reason Iran and Saudi Arabia pose a threat is we have armed both sides to the hilt.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

We don't care about India and Pakistan, the various border disputes between Cambodia and Thailand or the Sri Lankyan Civil war, the only reason Iran and Saudi Arabia pose a threat is we have armed both sides to the hilt.

Ok, you're totally delusional.

[afc wimbledon]

So it's clearly more than oil

What?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

So it's clearly more than oil

What?

I just listed like 5 reasons in the very post you pared that out of. I'm done, you're being purposely obtuse.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by nik-

Ok, you're totally delusional.

So we have picked a side and are drone striking one side or the other, we have sent in troops and are enforcing our view of things?

Or we are just selling both sides weapons and telling them to knock it off occasionally as they blow the hell out of each other?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by nik-

I just listed like 5 reasons in the very post you pared that out of. I'm done, you're being purposely obtuse.

All of the reasons you listed exist in other areas as I have pointed out, except Israel, and yet we stay the hell out of them, I'm not being purposely obtuse I am just pointing out the Middle East is the only place the West has seen fit to interfere in.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

All of the reasons you listed exist in other areas as I have pointed out, except Israel, and yet we stay the hell out of them, I'm not being purposely obtuse I am just pointing out the Middle East is the only place the West has seen fit to interfere in.

Oof.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by nik-

Oof.

? I don't know what that means

[peter12]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

? I don't know what that means

Did you know the Americans trained the entire Pakistani Air Force?

[TheScorpion]

Western interventionism/imperialism is hardly limited to the Middle East, that's silly.

[Manhattanboy]

Even unskilled anti-semites are good at cherry picking when it suits their narrative. A few recent examples:

1. When in a thread about a catastrophe committed by Iran it was legitimately suggested that the people of Iran might be better off today but for the 1979 revolution the clock of history was wound back specifically to the date of the “disastrous Balfour Declaration” which envisioned the creation of the modern State of Israel in the historic homeland of the Jewish people.

2. Apparently the 1947 UN partition plan which proposed two states, one Jewish and one Palestinian resulted in a “huge tract” of land being stolen from Palestinians. The 1948 armistice lines resulted in a country tiny in area compared to neighboring Arab territory.

3. If a Jewish state should have resulted from the Holocaust, which it seems from that poster is debatable, it certainly should not have been situated in biblical Israel.

4. Following the US action against the Iranian General, Iranian officials specifically stated that further action by the United States would result in attacks by Iran against Haifa and Tel-Aviv. Interesting that this seems totally irrelevant.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Even unskilled anti-semites are good at cherry picking when it suits their narrative. A few recent examples:

1. When in a thread about a catastrophe committed by Iran it was legitimately suggested that the people of Iran might be better off today but for the 1979 revolution the clock of history was wound back specifically to the date of the “disastrous Balfour Declaration” which envisioned the creation of the modern State of Israel in the historic homeland of the Jewish people.

2. Apparently the 1947 UN partition plan which proposed two states, one Jewish and one Palestinian resulted in a “huge tract” of land being stolen from Palestinians. The 1948 armistice lines resulted in a country tiny in area compared to neighboring Arab territory.

3. If a Jewish state should have resulted from the Holocaust, which it seems from that poster is debatable, it certainly should not have been situated in biblical Israel.

4. Following the US action against the Iranian General, Iranian officials specifically stated that further action by the United States would result in attacks by Iran against Haifa and Tel-Aviv. Interesting that this seems totally irrelevant.

I'm out of thanks but this is brilliant.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by peter12

Did you know the Americans trained the entire Pakistani Air Force?

Yes, at a vast price to the Pakistani's we also sell India aircraft and Helicopters and various other gear, the UK trains both Pakistani and Indian officers in the UK.

The west is neutral, all we care about is they don't nuke each other

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Western interventionism/imperialism is hardly limited to the Middle East, that's silly.

That's my point, it kind of is these days.

[nik-]

Yeah, all we care about is that pesky little thing.