63 Canadians killed after civilian airliner shot down.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by troutman

Intentionally or accidentally?

That's the next question to ask. I think most of the talk has been about it being an accident.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

They aren't saying either, in fact they're not saying it was. They're reporting that certain US officials are confident it was shot down.

That being said, there is essentially no chance it was done intentionally (in the sense of Iranian military officials ordering a civilian passenger jet to be shot down). It seems pretty likely that they intentionally fired on the plane mistaking it for something else, though, if that's what you mean - I assume these air defenses aren't automated.

[fulham]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

I hope this turns into Canada and Iran talking again and maybe reopening the embassy.

Safe to say Iran screwing up and killing 63 Canadians and not cooperating with "the west" which includes us, will not lead to better relations

[Jimmy Stang]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

I hope this turns into Canada and Iran talking again and maybe reopening the embassy.

I'd expect the opposite effect, especially with the recent events in the US/Iran relationship. It will be interesting to see what happens, but I can't see this improving anything in the short term.

Apparently some allies like Australia, France, and others with a presence there have offered support to Canada.

[speede5]

They seem to be cooperating a bit.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/iran...robe-1.4759850

[Bownesian]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

To be honest it reminds me of Air India where even here we tended to look on it as an Indian tragedy even though the victims where mostly Canadian

This may be true in terms of US coverage, but for me, there is striking in the contrast of how Canadian media are covering this compared to Air India. Sign of the times.

[rayne008]

I'm sure they knew the flight number and passenger manifest, knew it was mostly Canadians and more importantly non-Americans and made the decision to shoot it down.

Flex military might without incurring the full wraith of the American military and public opinion.

Disgusting.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Bownesian

This may be true in terms of US coverage, but for me, there is striking in the contrast of how Canadian media are covering this compared to Air India. Sign of the times.

I don't know, Global is describing them as 'the victims who lived in Canada' as opposed to the Canadians who died in the crash

[stone hands]

Originally Posted by rayne008

I'm sure they knew the flight number and passenger manifest, knew it was mostly Canadians and more importantly non-Americans and made the decision to shoot it down.

Flex military might without incurring the full wraith of the American military and public opinion.

Disgusting.

iran is many things, but saturday morning cartoon bad guy they are not

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by stone hands

iran is many things, but saturday morning cartoon bad guy they are not

I tend to agree, it was a terrible mistake

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by rayne008

I'm sure they knew the flight number and passenger manifest, knew it was mostly Canadians and more importantly non-Americans and made the decision to shoot it down.

Flex military might without incurring the full wraith of the American military and public opinion.

Disgusting.

That's a pretty big leap of logic. More likely they were on high alert, misidentified the plane and shot it down without confirming the target's nature. They were anticipating the Americans responding to their missile attack. Friendly fire is a huge issue.

Doubtful this was some planned attack on their own people, there is absolutely nothing to gain for Iran.

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by rayne008

I'm sure they knew the flight number and passenger manifest, knew it was mostly Canadians and more importantly non-Americans and made the decision to shoot it down.

Flex military might without incurring the full wraith of the American military and public opinion.

Disgusting.

I doubt it, there were also 82 Iranians on board, I think their “highly sofisticated” air defence(as others have said) made a mistake that ended up being a tragedy.

[CaptainCrunch]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1215329139277881345

[afc wimbledon]

The problem for any country facing the US is you know your command and control system is going to be shot to pieces quickly so you have to develop an independent area control system but that then leads to things like this happening

[peter12]

If Iranian radar misidentified a civilian airliner taking off from one of their own airports, and then shot it down, what does this say about the purportedly excellent Iranian air defense network?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by peter12

If Iranian radar misidentified a civilian airliner taking off from one of their own airports, and then shot it down, what does this say about the purportedly excellent Iranian air defense network?

The plane fell out of the sky in a giant fireball, so it's at least cause for pause for any air power. Their air defense isn't a joke, even if it's not insurmountable. There is a lot of daylight between those two realities. The argument is needlethreading at this point.

Also, the reporter in that twitter clip really needs to practice how she's going to deliver the news better.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

https://twitter.com/user/status/1215329139277881345

Iraqi Intelligence apparently confirming this as well
https://www.newsweek.com/iranians-sh...ources-1481313

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Not a surprise it was shot down.

What is the desired Canadian Government response?

I don't expect a declaration of war or revenge. Demand for restitution for families? Is there a precedent?

[ZedMan]

MH-17 is pretty close precedent I guess? Although responsibility was much less clear in that case.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

Not a surprise it was shot down.

What is the desired Canadian Government response?

I don't expect a declaration of war or revenge. Demand for restitution for families? Is there a precedent?

Restitution for the families, a apology or admission from Iran's government, prosecution demands for those responsible.


I expect we'll get told to get stuffed.