Spoilers allowed - Star Wars Episode IX

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by nik-

ooooooooh shieeeeeeeet.

We got a fanfic battle y'all.

I'll defer anything Star Wars fandom related to Captain, I was actually hoping he'd chime in. The last Star Wars book I read was 20 years ago when they killed off Chewbacca, that pissed me off enough to stop reading the EU entirely (and looking at the Yuuzhan Vong stuff I'm glad I did)

[CaptainCrunch]

Yeah, honestly the Yuuzhan Vong story line was just really weird. The Series after that which was the Legacy series where Jacen Solo goes really bad, like really really bad as in torturing his cousin, burning the Wookie Home World was surprisingly good, and I'd recommend reading the series. The final EU series which was the Fate of the Jedi which involved the Lost Tribe of the Sith and a all powerful evil, was not great at all.


But dropping a moon on Chewie actually made me laugh.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I'll defer anything Star Wars fandom related to Captain, I was actually hoping he'd chime in. The last Star Wars book I read was 20 years ago when they killed off Chewbacca, that pissed me off enough to stop reading the EU entirely (and looking at the Yuuzhan Vong stuff I'm glad I did)

Did he just get revealed as still alive after 20 pages?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by nik-

Did he just get revealed as still alive after 20 pages?

He was probably just on a different planet entirely.

[Mr.Coffee]

I saw it last night and really liked it. It’s not the best movie ever made but some of the criticisms in this thread show a fan base with insane expectations. The story is not anywhere as near as bad as people are making it out to be and we are talking about a very well made movie in terms of visuals, music, special effects, sound effects, acting was really good... like holy smokes. I’d love to watch a movie some of you put out there. I was actually kind of blown away with the talent to make what they did to be honest. Yes- the story could have gone a different direction, and I do understand if that kind of ruins it for you, but it didn’t for me. And I also don’t think all of it is just crap therefrom because the story isn’t how you specifically wanted it. There were a lot of really cool parts too.

The lightsaber battles alone were awesome, as were the spaceship fight scenes.

[Inglewood Jack]

I’m more forgiving now after taking into consideration that they had a lot more stuff to do in less time than they had for TFA (including basically resetting the entire quest)

https://www.indiewire.com/2020/01/st...ce-1202199976/

According to Brandon’s estimates, the “Rise of Skywalker” crew had three months less to work on the latest “Star Wars” movie than was the case for “Force Awakens.” Disney set a December 20, 2019 release date for the movie that could not be moved, forcing Brandon to edit on set so that the production schedule was maintained.

[CaptainCrunch]

They really should have Deathly Hallowed the last film into 2 2 hour movies. They could have really used the time to fix the story itself.

[Duruss]

Meh, I liked the movie but I also really like Rey. I also enjoyed C-3P0 more than ever in this one, he was actually sweet.

[Wormius]

I thought the whole cast and crew was supposed to have some leeway in getting the movie out. Remembering Lucas’ deadlines for the prequels meant compromising a lot of things. Then Disney and JJ came along and they were supposed to have this new motto of “don’t release anything until it’s perfect”. Now this last trilogy is basically a retelling of the original trilogy. What was the point?

[troutman]

Millions of lives would have been saved if Luke properly killed Palpatine the first time.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by troutman

Millions of lives would have been saved if Luke properly killed Palpatine the first time.

But then Evil Luke would have killed trillions.

[OutOfTheCube]

I know people don't like me in this thread, but I have a big beef with "lightspeed skipping". With all the logic and canon breaking everyone complained about in TLJ, I'm surprised this one is kind of being brushed aside. Not only does it break OT canon about lightspeed:

Han Solo: Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?

Where even a single jump (in the same ship too, mind you) had to be precisely calculated. Yet here they make multiple jumps in the span of a few seconds, landing in the middle of floating cities and asteroid fields and whatnot without a problem.

But it also breaks it's own sequel trilogy canon too, where in just the previous movie (which only takes place one year earlier) we're shown that tracking a ship through hyperspace has been previously impossible, and that it requires an immense computer running crazy calculations on a capital ship to accomplish. Yet here we see multiple basic TIE fighters perfectly pursue the Falcon through multiple hyperspace jumps with no problems. It doesn't make any sense.

But anything for a cool visual with JJ Abrams. He broke all the sensical rules of travel in an established universe in Star Trek too (particularly Into Darkness).

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I know people don't like me in this thread, but I have a big beef with "lightspeed skipping".

Hah! That bugged the **** out of me, too. Kinda set the tone for the whole movie of me going "WTF?" "WTF is lightspeed skipping and how is that a thing?" "WTF, how can TIE fighters go to lightspeed?" "WTF, how can they follow the Falcon through lightspeed and know when to stop?"

[photon]

Poe is force sensitive too and was using the newest ultimate force power that everyone seems to have now: Force: Deus Ex Machina

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

I know people don't like me in this thread, but I have a big beef with "lightspeed skipping". With all the logic and canon breaking everyone complained about in TLJ, I'm surprised this one is kind of being brushed aside. Not only does it break OT canon about lightspeed:



Where even a single jump (in the same ship too, mind you) had to be precisely calculated. Yet here they make multiple jumps in the span of a few seconds, landing in the middle of floating cities and asteroid fields and whatnot without a problem.

But it also breaks it's own sequel trilogy canon too, where in just the previous movie (which only takes place one year earlier) we're shown that tracking a ship through hyperspace has been previously impossible, and that it requires an immense computer running crazy calculations on a capital ship to accomplish. Yet here we see multiple basic TIE fighters perfectly pursue the Falcon through multiple hyperspace jumps with no problems. It doesn't make any sense.

But anything for a cool visual with JJ Abrams. He broke all the sensical rules of travel in an established universe in Star Trek too (particularly Into Darkness).

In a fictional far away place a long long time ago, in which space wizards have dazzled audiences with laser beam gunfights, light sword fights, spaceship laser gun wars, unique looking aliens of all sorts, where these same space wizard use magic to lift space shifts, heavy objects, force other beings to think / believe what they want, come back as ghosts and talk and wave at people, have broken the laws of physics in all previous 8 canon movies, shoot lightning from their hands, been killed and sucked literally out into space and then floated back into a spaceship somehow, have creatures that can live almost 1,000 years, sense when people are close to them or on a nearby ship / planet / plane just by ‘feeling’........ no... no no no no no no we will absolutely NOT ACCEPT hyperspace “skipping” even though every single Star Wars movie to now has had hyperspace travel in it.

It’s just far too unrealistic.

[Inglewood Jack]

There is nothing more tired than the "argument" that fictional universes don't need internally consistent rules. If anything's possible because "space wizards lol", then the audience should be perfectly fine if Rey did something like flying 10000 feet up, destroying every single enemy ship with a single lightsaber swing, then reversing Palpatine's dark energy to bring Luke, Leia and Han back to life for a party where she materializes all the catering out of thin air.

The Lightspeed skip didn't bother me a huge amount on its own. But the ST has about a couple dozen things that at best don't extend from existing lore, or flat out contradict it. Those can only be overlooked if the movies were exceptionally strong in character development or plot, which they are not. So the nitpicks actually do add up for those invested in the SW universe.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

In a fictional far away place a long long time ago, in which space wizards have dazzled audiences with laser beam gunfights, light sword fights, spaceship laser gun wars, unique looking aliens of all sorts, where these same space wizard use magic to lift space shifts, heavy objects, force other beings to think / believe what they want, come back as ghosts and talk and wave at people, have broken the laws of physics in all previous 8 canon movies, shoot lightning from their hands, been killed and sucked literally out into space and then floated back into a spaceship somehow, have creatures that can live almost 1,000 years, sense when people are close to them or on a nearby ship / planet / plane just by ‘feeling’........ no... no no no no no no we will absolutely NOT ACCEPT hyperspace “skipping” even though every single Star Wars movie to now has had hyperspace travel in it.

It’s just far too unrealistic.

The movie's own written universe has established that as something that's not possible! It's the first rule of any kind of fiction writing, particularly sci-fi and fantasy -- you have to establish limitations and rules, then you have to play by those rules or it breaks immersion. Or at least attempt to provide some explanation when you do break the rules. But it never explains why it breaks it's own universe's rules, over and over, and everyone is just supposed to roll with it. "It's a crazy sci-fi world, just roll with it!" was probably written at the top of the writer's board when this trainwreck was written.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

There is nothing more tired than the "argument" that fictional universes don't need internally consistent rules.

Thank you.
This same ridiculous argument comes up in every fiction thread on CP.
Reminds me of the same posts for late seasons of Game of Thrones issues, probably the same posters again.

This is basically fiction writing 101; there has never been or could be fictional story telling without any rules in place.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

There is nothing more tired than the "argument" that fictional universes don't need internally consistent rules. If anything's possible because "space wizards lol", then the audience should be perfectly fine if Rey did something like flying 10000 feet up, destroying every single enemy ship with a single lightsaber swing, then reversing Palpatine's dark energy to bring Luke, Leia and Han back to life for a party where she materializes all the catering out of thin air.

The Lightspeed skip didn't bother me a huge amount on its own. But the ST has about a couple dozen things that at best don't extend from existing lore, or flat out contradict it. Those can only be overlooked if the movies were exceptionally strong in character development or plot, which they are not. So the nitpicks actually do add up for those invested in the SW universe.

Since when did giant space Battlecruisers need Gas?? Since when I ask you?

[direwolf]

Don't see what the big deal is regarding the lightspeed skipping. They acknowledge in the movie that it's quite dangerous and probably shouldn't be done. Rey gets angry with Poe for even attempting it, and the Falcon is severely damaged as a result.