2020 IIHF World Junior Championship - Czech Republic

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Classless by Wahlstrom to throw an elbow with 2 seconds left.

It was Pinto I believe.

[Wastedyouth]

I love the Finns. Always cheer for them. Best jerseys every year.

[powderjunkie]

Keep it classy USA. Probably could've been an awarded goal, too (not sure on IIHF rule).

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Excuse my ignorance, but did Dustin Wolf play in this tournament? If so, how did he do?

He played a single game against Ze Germans. Allowed 3 goals on 20 shots.

And with that the only Flames prospect in the tournament is done.

[Enoch Root]

Apparently the Kings have 9 prospects in this tournament.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Apparently the Kings have 9 prospects in this tournament.

True:



Canada: Thomas and Dudas
Czech: Parik
Finland: Kuparinen and Nousiaianen
Sweden: Bjornfot and Fagemo
USA: Turcotte and Kaliyev


Only other team with more than 5 is Arizona:


Canada: Hayton
Czech: Jenik
Finland: Maccelli and Raty
Switzerland: Nussbaumer
Sweden: Soderstrom
USA: Emberson

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Apparently the Kings have 9 prospects in this tournament.

I'll never forget the high hopes of the Flames 2001 draft class. between them I believe they won 9 WJ medals- Trubachev/Taratukhin/Medvedev Gold x2; Kobasew Silver, Maki Bronze x2


then Flames reality took over

[Flash Walken]

The kings have drafted 8 times over 2 drafts in the first 3 rounds.

That's why they have 9 prospects there.

[RyZ]

Medal round appears to be as follows:

Finland v Canada
Russia v Sweden

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The kings have drafted 8 times over 2 drafts in the first 3 rounds.

That's why they have 9 prospects there.

For the record, they had 5 picks in the first 3 rounds of last years draft. They had 3 the year before that, in 3 rounds.

That’s 2 extra picks.

I doubt that explains the 9 players at the world juniors.


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[Barca]

Hoglander is looking like a steal in the 2nd round.

he's got a little bit of a pest to his game too which i like.

[Magnum PEI]

This Ville Petman character for Finland pulled off an incredible diving performance today. Almost of wish Wahlstrom had elbowed him harder.

[MissTeeks]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1212868110463705088

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

For the record, they had 5 picks in the first 3 rounds of last years draft. They had 3 the year before that, in 3 rounds.

That’s 2 extra picks.

I doubt that explains the 9 players at the world juniors.


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It's not just the amount of picks, it's where they are taken.

when you draft 4 times in a single draft before pick #51, you're going to end up with good prospects.

When you draft multiple times in a round 6 times in 2 years, you're going to grab a decent prospect you otherwise may not have taken the chance on. Like the Flames and TJ Brodie.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

It's not just the amount of picks, it's where they are taken.

when you draft 4 times in a single draft before pick #51, you're going to end up with good prospects.

When you draft multiple times in a round 6 times in 2 years, you're going to grab a decent prospect you otherwise may not have taken the chance on. Like the Flames and TJ Brodie.

But that's one draft with two extra picks.

I know it explains why they have some decent prospects, but they had 9 players playing at the world juniors. Even those 4 picks don't explain that.

And they had multiple picks in a round just 4 times in the last two years. Rounds 1, 2, 4 and 6.

Having two picks in a round doubles your chances of getting a decent player. You seem to be suggesting that it increases it more than that because you can "take a chance on a player you might have otherwise"?

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Magnum PEI

This Ville Petman character for Finland pulled off an incredible diving performance today. Almost of wish Wahlstrom had elbowed him harder.

What?

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

https://twitter.com/user/status/1212868110463705088

Good.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

But that's one draft with two extra picks.

I know it explains why they have some decent prospects, but they had 9 players playing at the world juniors. Even those 4 picks don't explain that.

And they had multiple picks in a round just 4 times in the last two years. Rounds 1, 2, 4 and 6.

Having two picks in a round doubles your chances of getting a decent player. You seem to be suggesting that it increases it more than that because you can "take a chance on a player you might have otherwise"?

My bad, I was counting back 3 years where they picked twice in the 4th and 5th rounds.

I don't know what it doubles your chances, but I understand the way prioritizing lists works, and grabbing a guy you might not have instead of having that guy go somewhere else is the kind of zero sum advantage successful teams are built on. Dillon Dube is the second of the flames 2nd round selections in 2016. If the flames don't have that pick, they walk away with just Parsons. Matthew Phillips is the second of 2 picks in the 6yh round of that same draft. If the Flames don't have that pick, it's likely someone else takes a chance on him.

Kylington, the second of 2nd round picks behind rasmus. After how far he ended up falling, if the Flames don't have that pick, Kylington wouldn't have been there when they picked 76 picks later.

Don't get me wrong, it's really impressive drafting potentially, but you also have to have the picks in the first place. Picking three times by pick #33 including once at #5 should get you 3 world junior prospects. Another two picks before #90 should again yield you a decent prospect.

By contrast the flames have drafted 1 player in the last 2 years in the top 50 in a draft and only twice in the top 90. You're going to get less impressive prospects doing that, even if you occasionally hit a home run in those rounds.

All of it doesn't mean anything to me yet because i don't know how corollary wjc selection is to NHL success, but that's where you're going to see a discrepancy between what the flames have in the tournament and what the kings have.

Arizona, the second most prospects in the tournament, have made 18 selections in the last 2 years, with multiple picks in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th rounds, with 5 picks total before round #90, with one top 5 pick and one 11th overall pick.

you're going to get some good prospects drafting like that.

[Enoch Root]

You're over-stating your narrative by a significant margin.

Every year there is a few teams that have an extra couple picks. But I don't ever remember a team having 9 prospects at one WJ event.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You're over-stating your narrative by a significant margin.

Every year there is a few teams that have an extra couple picks. But I don't ever remember a team having 9 prospects at one WJ event.

And obviously, a couple of extra picks doesn’t result in 9 players at the world juniors, good drafting does.


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