Spoilers allowed - Star Wars Episode IX

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I hope they can do something better when they don't have to tie their next work back to the original trilogies.

I enjoyed the new films for the most part, particularly Rogue One and Rise of Skywalker. But I agree, if they decide to make another trilogy in a few years, I really hope they just wipe the slate clean and start fresh with an original story and brand new characters that aren't tied in any way to the Skywalker saga. With the right filmmakers, you could do some really cool and interesting stuff within that universe. The Mandalorian is proof of that.

I mentioned it earlier in this thread, but I'd like to see Disney hand the keys to someone like Jon Favreau or Kevin Feige and let them run with it.

[underGRADFlame]

So I’m going for viewing number 2 tonight. There was just SO much to take in with it, I need one or two more viewings in theatre. Initially I was put off by the Emperor coming back so quickly without much explanation (I’m guessing comics and books are gonna full in the detail) but after digesting the movie for a few days I have to say I loved everything with the exception of the kiss.

However the ending made me want more of Rey’s story, much like I wanted to see Luke rebuild the Jedi order, now I want to see Rey rebuild the order, I want to know why she has a yellow sabre (Jedi guardian colour). I wonder if in a year or two we see a Rey Skywalker series. Give it to Filoni and let him have and elderly Asoka and Ezra come back and help!

[savardandjokinen]

I don’t know as much about Star Wars as the people in this thread, can someone help me out with something? I know the question may be dumb but that movie was long and so much happened.

How is Rey a Skywalker? Are palpatine and the Skywalker related so she has relation to luke and leia?

[Muffins]

I really enjoyed it even though it did feel a bit rushed. I put most of the blame for that on TLJ. Instead of spending 30 mins on the casino planet hitting us over the head with "the rich make money off of war so they're bad mmmkay", they could have used that time to hint at Palpatine and maybe do something with the Knights of Ren.

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

I don’t know as much about Star Wars as the people in this thread, can someone help me out with something? I know the question may be dumb but that movie was long and so much happened.

How is Rey a Skywalker? Are palpatine and the Skywalker related so she has relation to luke and leia?

She's not by blood. She just took the name.

[Weitz]

Why are storm troopers so pathetic?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Isn't Skywalker's suppose to be a common family name too? At least was retconned when people started asking how Luke and Vader wouldn't have known they were related to one another.

So Rey's pregnancy pause would have been akin to "My name is Rey...........Smith" in that world.

Overall, I liked it. I hated The Last Jedi, so I think this movie could have been 2 hours of Poe dropping a deuce and it still would have exceeded my expectations but I think it did well with what it was given. Unfortunately a lot of it had to do with fixing or ignoring what Rian Johnson did with The Last Jedi.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Isn't Skywalker's suppose to be a common family name too? At least was retconned when people started asking how Luke and Vader wouldn't have known they were related to one another.

No, I don't believe that is true, at least in the current continuity.


Luke didn't know Vader was his father because he didn't know that Vader was Anakin Skywalker. The few people in the Galaxy who did know weren't telling him.

Vader didn't know that Luke had survived his birth until he found out the name of the pilot who had destroyed the Death Star.

Palpatine told Anakin that Padme had been killed by Anakin on Mustafar, when she was still pregnant. I don't know if Palpatine knew that Luke and Leia had survived, but if he did, he kept it a secret from Vader.


In one of the recent comic series that takes place between ANH and ESB, Vader hires Boba Fett to find out who destroyed the Death Star. All Fett is able to give him is the name Skywalker, but that's enough for Vader to know that Luke is his son. That wouldn't really work if Skywalker was a common name.

[nik-]

Still should have gone by the name Luke Lars, even if just for the ####ty alliteration.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Muffins

She's not by blood. She just took the name.

That was one of my biggest issues with that film. She should have owned the Palpatine name. You’re not a Skywalker Rey. Get out of here with that nonsense.

I actually thought it would have been cool if they let Rey die and had Ben be the last of the living Skywalkers.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

I don’t know as much about Star Wars as the people in this thread, can someone help me out with something? I know the question may be dumb but that movie was long and so much happened.

How is Rey a Skywalker? Are palpatine and the Skywalker related so she has relation to luke and leia?

Rey has always wanted to find out who she was and where she came from. Now that she knows the truth about being a Palpatine, she takes the Skywalker name because it is more in alignment with who she is choosing to be. She is not related to the Skywalkers by blood.

Anyways besides keeping the Palpatine surname would be the Star Wars universe equivalent of keeping your surname Hitler after World War II. Going around calling herself Rey Palpatine would probably inspire fear and hatred where ever she went.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Muffins

Instead of spending 30 mins on the casino planet hitting us over the head with "the rich make money off of war so they're bad mmmkay", they could have used that time to hint at Palpatine and maybe do something with the Knights of Ren.

One thing I'll say is that Knights of Ren were good in theory, and looked cool in photos, but were never a good idea for this trilogies story from Day 1.

If the idea is it was also a group of "Force Sensitive" individuals that Kylo had spared when he left Luke's training then that was just going to create the issue of having the bad guys of 6 Force Sensitive guys that were partially trained already.

It also just didn't make sense because in TFA, TLJ, or even TROS the Knights of Ren were rarely actually with Kylo, so not like Kylo really relied on them even when it was still "bad".

If you keep them and then Rey & Friends somehow defeats them then they just look weak, or it causes Rey to look even more overpowered than she already did.

The one thing I'll agree on is that a strong hint of Palpatine at the end of TLJ would have made it much better. If in that last scene where Rey/Kylo were linked one last time as the Falcon is about to take off, and you had them both hear Palpatine laugh, and feel a disturbance in the force that would have been a great tease.

I think the anticipation for TROS coming out of TLJ would have been much higher, and people would have been less frustrated about Snoke being killed off.

If they were to retrofit one thing into TLJ that would be the thing to add.

[GreenLantern]

I think the one thing that made Rogue One so great is that even though it was kind of the same old thing we've seen in all the Star Wars movies, it felt original.

The scene where Jyn says if were lucky enough to land, we take the next chance, then the next one after that, until we succeed or all chances are spent. That was like... OK that makes sense, lets just see how far we can get, we have no choice but to try.

And in these Star Wars movies it felt like they were just like OK impossible odds but we will just do this and we win. Over.. and over.. and over.

But all that being said, I still found a lot to enjoy in this movie and the trilogy overall. If nothing else it was great to revisit so many iconic characters and scenes and see how things would close for those characters.

The scene with Ben and Han was amazing. They did a good job of using Leia enough to make her feel like part of the movie and give her a proper send off. I thought his redemption was very well done, and it was awesome how they didn't try to truly save him, but save him just long enough to save Rey.

I thought the force voices part was amazing as well, I loved how they gave a nod to all of the Star Wars cannon material with that. And seeing the Ghost show up was amazing even if it was already spoiled.

Overall I was happy with the movie. I still really think Rey's questions should have been answered in movie 2 for max impact, because when they said she was a Palpatine I was just kind of like ... OK, whatever, now what? But Ian Mcdiarmid did such a good job portraying the character again, it was great.

Billy Dee was on point with Lando, he just nailed it. Smooth silky tone, some great classic moments like "i've got a bad feeling about this" and his expression while he pilots the Falcon, all of that brought a smile to my face.

When I saw the charging horses on the death star in the trailer I was very worried, but it actually played out relatively decent. It was originally meant to be a planetary mission but they had to adapt and switch it up. Having Finn meet another ex Storm Trooper was pretty neat to actually.

They tried to really force the whole we're Han/Luke/Leia 2.0 objective in this movie, a little to hard IMO.

But overall I am not going to pick it apart, I am going to be happy that I got to see another Star Wars movie in theaters, that I have more cannon material to look forward to in the board/video games I play and that we got an end to the Skywalker saga.

[sureLoss]

One thing Episodes 7-9 did for the Star Wars universe was made it feel like the galaxy was very small. It felt like they could hyperspace jump to far away planets in minutes or even seconds. Even in this movie the Falcon was able to jump to all the "core systems" and bring reinforcements to Exogal (a system that was supposed to be in the unknown regions of the galaxy) in what felt like a couple of hours.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by blankall

I really wonder what JJ's plan for movie #2 would have been. My guess:

-The main story line would have been the conflict between Snoke and Ray, and eventually Kylo Ren. After Snoke is killed, it's revealed that another force was really behind Snoke, huge hints at Palpatine with him possibly making an appearance. Snoke is used as a test by Palpatine for Kylo Ren, who is meant to "strike him down".

-The Knights of Ren are actually explained. A lot of detail goes into how Kylo Ren got that name and his affiliation with the Knights.

-Ray's hero journey is a lot more complex. She suffers some kind of major defeat in movie #2 that she has to recover from. She recovers via training supplied by Luke.

-The officers in the First Order - Hux, Phasma, etc..- play a larger role. They act like a firm leadership that conflicts with Kylo and keeps him in check. The transition between the First Order and the Final Order is ultimately a lot smoother.

-The destruction of the old Rebellion forces plays a lot bigger role and is a lot more meaningful. Mothma, Akbar, Leia, and possibly Luke all go down in dramatic fashion stopping the First Order. Things look desperate.

-Poe and Finn's sense of defeat/regret is tied to the defeat of the old Rebellion heros. Their own inexperience potentially contributed to this defeat.

Overall, the fixes for this trilogy just seem so obvious, and there was so much potential there.

You expect a lot from JJ,

I don’t think anything he included in 7 or 9 could be described as complex or deep. Nothing in your list seems like something JJ would have done.

[Winsor_Pilates]

I think TLJ didn't hint at Palpatine because it didnt have him in the story line at all.

JJ came up with bringing Palpatine in, Snoke being his creation etc because he had no other plot that worked.
Everything seemed reactionary and made up for ROS, not a planned trilogy in any way.

If there's any evidence Palpatine was planned before the trilogy started, Snoke was his decoy & Ray was going to be a Palpatine, I'd love to see it. I dont see that being the case.

[devo22]

Bringing Palpatine back just felt like an act of desperation because Johnson had killed Snoke and they needed a big antagonist for ROS. Bigging up Snoke in TFA, casually killing him in TLJ and then bringing back Palpatine without an explanation in ROS ... it's just a mess. No way they designed it that way.

[GreenLantern]

Nobody really cared about quick travel when GOT did it, it was just seen as a way to cut out 'pointless' travel times..

Another thing I thought of that made me pretty sad was when Ahsoka had her voice added to the force voices. I knew that she was in this movie in some capacity as I had seen an article title from Abrams warning fans to watch out for her live action debut.. so I was choked that I knew it was coming but excited for it to happen. When I heard the voices I waited for hers, there it was, then I realized after that means at some point she dies..

Obviously she would be old if she lived this long anyway, somewhere in her 70's, but still kind of sucked to learn of the death of my favourite all time Star Wars character like that.. without any of the details! Everyone else in that list we either saw them die in some grand heroic fashion, or could accept it as part of Order 66..

[sureLoss]

Also another thing I found funny is that all these allies who showed up in the final battle are only interested in saving their own skins.

None of them show up in TLJ when Leia begs the entire galaxy for help to stop the First Order from wiping the Resistance.

They only show up when Palpatine's Final Order fleet is a direct threat to them.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GGG

You expect a lot from JJ,

I don’t think anything he included in 7 or 9 could be described as complex or deep. Nothing in your list seems like something JJ would have done.

Yeah based on what JJ wanted to do with the Trilogy it's likely just a rehash of Empire.

Rey trains with a hermit Jedi who is in hiding & there is some resistance to train Rey due to Luke's past, something happens to Rey's friends that causes her to have to go confront Snoke/Kylo against Luke's wishes, Luke realizes he needs to confront his past and go face Kylo to save the rebellion, and at the end of the movie it's revealed that Snoke was a pawn, Palpatine was the big bad guy, and that Rey is Palpatine's granddaughter.

The Luke/Kylo/Rey interaction and story likely ends up being very similar to how TLJ played out from a character perspective (Luke's redemption, Kylo & Rey connected and battling to turn one another) but you likely get less character development for Poe/Finn.