Aliu blackface incident with the Colorado Eagles

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Im probably going to be painted a racist by some members of this group, i am not.

At what point does Aliu using his new stage with the media to call out and resolve past racism incidents go too far?
I try my best to teach my young children that when someone’s actions affect your personal beliefs, safety or security that you need to speak up about the situation and let them know the effect of their actions.

In no way am i condoning the actions of the trainer, especially if it was done maliciously.

At no point.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Im probably going to be painted a racist by some members of this group, i am not.

At what point does Aliu using his new stage with the media to call out and resolve past racism incidents go too far?
I try my best to teach my young children that when someone’s actions affect your personal beliefs, safety or security that you need to speak up about the situation and let them know the effect of their actions.

In no way am i condoning the actions of the trainer, especially if it was done maliciously.

There's no time limit on the truth, in my opinion.

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

How does one go about firing a PM?

I believe they call it a resignation - for actions that are inconsistent with or detrimental to the parties beliefs.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ger...-pmo-1.5023675

"It cannot and should not take one moment away from the vital work the prime minister and his office is doing for all Canadians."

Trudeau could have said this but change "prime minister" with "Liberal party".


In July 2019, Prime Minister Trudeau hired Butts back to play a key role in the Liberal 2019 election campaign. [24]

https://globalnews.ca/news/5664371/g...eral-campaign/

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

I believe they call it a resignation - for actions that are inconsistent with or detrimental to the parties beliefs.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ger...-pmo-1.5023675

"It cannot and should not take one moment away from the vital work the prime minister and his office is doing for all Canadians."

Trudeau could have said this but change "prime minister" with "Liberal party".


In July 2019, Prime Minister Trudeau hired Butts back to play a key role in the Liberal 2019 election campaign. [24]

https://globalnews.ca/news/5664371/g...eral-campaign/

Why are we now talking about SNC Lavalin? Good lord.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Im probably going to be painted a racist by some members of this group, i am not.

When someone says, "I'm probably going to be called a racist", it is never a good sign about what is going to come.

[wireframe]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

Im probably going to be painted a racist by some members of this group, i am not.

At what point does Aliu using his new stage with the media to call out and resolve past racism incidents go too far?
I try my best to teach my young children that when someone’s actions affect your personal beliefs, safety or security that you need to speak up about the situation and let them know the effect of their actions.

Was there a way that this could have been discussed privately instead? Did that already take place?

In no way am i condoning the actions of the trainer, especially if it was done maliciously.

It's possible to go too far, but he hasn't done it yet. He has accurately retold two specific examples of his fight with racism in hockey. We are meant to listen to him and, ideally, respond by calling for an end to this racism. Aliu has been nothing but honest and respectful, which is pretty impressive after the way he was treated.

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Why are we now talking about SNC Lavalin? Good lord.

I'm saying that it is easy to step down as Prime Minister if you deem your actions to be distracting to the message of the party.

The article was to show how Butts was able to do it, when he deemed himself to be a distraction to the party.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

I believe they call it a resignation - for actions that are inconsistent with or detrimental to the parties beliefs.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ger...-pmo-1.5023675

"It cannot and should not take one moment away from the vital work the prime minister and his office is doing for all Canadians."

Trudeau could have said this but change "prime minister" with "Liberal party".


In July 2019, Prime Minister Trudeau hired Butts back to play a key role in the Liberal 2019 election campaign. [24]

https://globalnews.ca/news/5664371/g...eral-campaign/

Do you have any idea how absurd it would look if the head of a G7 nation resigned their office over this? It is unprecedented in all of human history.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Do you really believe this? Why should anyone else? You either think it deserves punishment or you don’t. You’re also allowed to be angry at the Liberal party for not taking steps in light of the release of the video and pictures.

But to say “if he didn’t get punished, no one should” is really disgusting. Like, really disgusting.

Does this apply to everything Trump has done now? Holy moly.

Was speaking figuratively. Absolutely, I find all of this totally unacceptable and there are no mitigating circumstances for any racist behavior, any time, any place. All of these ignorant idiots need to be gone, from Peters to Trump.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by ben voyonsdonc

When someone says, "I'm probably going to be called a racist", it is never a good sign about what is going to come.

My comment can be interpreted on different levels given that this is a forum and not a personal conversation. However, i decided to post it risking being criticized a racist in a attempt to further the discussion about people showing emotional sensitivity at the time of the incident rather then letting it bother them for ten years.

[Badgers Nose]

Nvm

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Do you have any idea how absurd it would look if the head of a G7 nation resigned their office over this? It is unprecedented in all of human history.

So you are saying there is no one else adequate in the entire liberal party to take over? Personally, I think there are plenty who are probably better, but the liberals love his celebrity, and his last name.

It was unprecedented that an NHL coach got fired for a racist remark, until it happened.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

I'm saying that it is easy to step down as Prime Minister if you deem your actions to be distracting to the message of the party.

The article was to show how Butts was able to do it, when he deemed himself to be a distraction to the party.

Well, all it shows is that an unelected guy can resign when he thinks it politically best (and be rehired too). He didn't resign because he thought it was wrong. He didn't apologize. And probably no one weighed his personal actions versus other policies, etc. to come to a decision about a vote. It's completely irrelevant.

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

My comment can be interpreted on different levels given that this is a forum and not a personal conversation. However, i decided to post it risking being criticized a racist in a attempt to further the discussion about people showing emotional sensitivity at the time of the incident rather then letting it bother them for ten years.

In the ideal case everyone can speak up at the time. Part of the reason things have to change is because it's clear they *couldn't* (until now).

You get a snowball effect where one person standup up causes another to.

Now let's get away from the topic of how young black players feel and keep talking more about white people and race politics!

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

My comment can be interpreted on different levels given that this is a forum and not a personal conversation. However, i decided to post it risking being criticized a racist in a attempt to further the discussion about people showing emotional sensitivity at the time of the incident rather then letting it bother them for ten years.

So speak up then and get into another issue for not being a team-player and torpedo his career once again. Just like when he wouldn't get naked for Downie. It's not a great option and it's not hard to see why he wouldn't have come forward during his career.

It's the same victim-blaming logic used by the scourge involved in the MeToo movement. Why didn't they say no? Why did it take ten years to come out? Blah blah blah. Why did it happen in the first place? What's being done today to prevent it? Those are the questions you should be answered. Ironically, the answer to the latter is that Aliu is speaking up for those who are having it happen today.

There's no time limit on this stuff. This is not on Aliu, it's on Peters and Deynzer. We don't need to try and villainize him.

[Joborule]

With Trudeau blackface incident, and the recent racist events that have been released in hockey of late, it's an unfortunate reminder of how prevalent racism still is even amongst professional and governmental organizations.

It's disappointing that people feel it's worth laughters at the expense of a colour of a black man, or any other ethnicities. Or that it's not that big of a deal. Those saying the Treduae incident is different, and thus not relevant, as well not that big of a deal, as a black man, I beg to differ considerably. The message is still the same; being black is funny, and lesser than white's.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

My comment can be interpreted on different levels given that this is a forum and not a personal conversation. However, i decided to post it risking being criticized a racist in a attempt to further the discussion about people showing emotional sensitivity at the time of the incident rather then letting it bother them for ten years.

So what are your thoughts on "too far" then? Do you think it's already past that point?

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by wireframe

It's possible to go too far, but he hasn't done it yet. He has accurately retold two specific examples of his fight with racism in hockey. We are meant to listen to him and, ideally, respond by calling for an end to this racism. Aliu has been nothing but honest and respectful, which is pretty impressive after the way he was treated.

I agree 100%. As long as its kept in a means of moving forward and not as a means of revenge

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Joborule

With Trudeau blackface incident, and the recent racist events that have been released in hockey of late, it's an unfortunate reminder of how prevalent racism still is even amongst professional and governmental organizations.

It's disappointing that people feel it's worth laughters at the expense of a colour of a black man, or any other ethnicities. Or that it's not that big of a deal. Those saying the Treduae incident is different, and thus not relevant, as well not that big of a deal, as a black man, I beg to differ considerably. The message is still the same; being black is funny, and lesser than white's.

I say it's different because of intent. I don't say it's not relevant at all, but the relation is pretty tenuous IMO. I also have not seen anyone here say it wasn't a big deal.

The message for Trudeau was "I'm dressed as a black guy - funny eh?" IMO, terrible.

The message by this idiot: "I'm dressed as YOU, Aliu and what's important to know about about you is that you're black - laugh with me". IMO, worse.

[Calgary4LIfe]

This whole Trudeau thing is getting tiresome. He got outed for a stupid thing that he did, but does anyone on here REALLY believe he is racist, or just merely an idiot?



Fine, if you want to equate the Trudeau blackface(s) incident as exactly the same as what Aliu faced - fine. That's up to you to and you are entitled to your opinion. However, I have a hard time believing that Trudeau is a racist given the fact that since he has become the leader of Canada, he has gone to great lengths in trying to bring unity and equality in this nation to all races, ethnic groups, minorities and genders. He has done more - some even say he goes too far - in trying to bring equality and even right the wrongs of the past when it comes to the indigenous communities.


So, for myself, I can be disgusted by Trudeau's blackface incidents, but I am also of the mindset that I will also look at the whole picture here as well. My own logic tells me that Trudeau is both an idiot, but a person that at least seems to mean well and believe in doing good. That's why I personally can somewhat overlook his past transgressions, because he seems to actually be a person that really believes in equality. Bringing up Trudeau and trying to crucify him for his past stupidity is becoming an annoying meme now as people just seem to gloss over what his other actions were. And no, I didn't vote liberal, but it will be a cold day in hell before I vote conservative again in light of what those corrupt ####ers have done to Alberta since Klein left office - and I was a staunch conservative most of my life if anyone cares.


I have no idea why people can't seem to see degrees of intent and outcome to certain actions, and deem these to be important. So many of our laws clearly outline differences for the same crimes. Heck, speeding tickets vary wildly given the circumstances and even the time of day.


No, what Trudeau did was unacceptable and I was glad that it got called out. But no, I think he didn't crucified for it because of his actual record and his actions. Stop being a partisan idiot who blindly votes for one party and one party only. Take a look at the whole picture before forming your opinion.


I am glad that hockey is getting cleaned-up. Everyone who was a ####er should get outed. I wouldn't want any of these reprehensible human beings around my kids and 'teaching' them anything at best, or abusing them at worst. I hope this runs deep all the way to the earliest levels of hockey. This needs to be completely eradicated.