Aliu blackface incident with the Colorado Eagles

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

There's a level of viciousness to this story that the Peters incident doesn't come close to approaching, and that says a lot.

Akim, this game has let you down. I'm so sorry.

And you ####ing snowflakes who take every story involving blackface/racism and turn it into 'but Trudeau' are a part of why this is horse#### is so ever present in our culture.

The Prime Minister has nothing to do with the repeated severe traumas Akim Aliu has experienced throughout his career.

Every story about this poor kid, from Downie to Peters to this, ends with me going 'that's not how you treat people'. Nothing more than that.

You don't shove people naked into a tour bus washroom (who are unwilling* - let your freak flag fly if that's who you are) you don't shout N bombs at a black man (at work, no less), and you don't do whatever Klan revival #### this was (in front of families).

#### me sideways, is this really that complicated?

Off topic and not meant as a shot at GL, but can we make the use (by all sides of the political and social spectrum) of “snowflake” and all its derivatives a bannable offence?

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

And you ####ing snowflakes who take every story involving blackface/racism and turn it into 'but Trudeau' are a part of why this is horse#### is so ever present in our culture.

The Prime Minister has nothing to do with the repeated severe traumas Akim Aliu has experienced throughout his career.

I respectfully disagree. Trudeau's repeated passes serve to diminish the trauma that Aliu and others have experienced.

If the Prime Minister of Canada is not to be held accountable for his (ignorant) actions why should anyone else be?

[Makarov]

Perhaps we could just start a "But Trudeau..." thread as a safe place where posters could channel their Trudeau anger every time it is triggered in another thread?

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I respectfully disagree. Trudeau's repeated passes serve to diminish the trauma that Aliu and others have experienced.

If the Prime Minister of Canada is not to be held accountable for his (ignorant) actions why should anyone else be?

Well life's simply not fair.

JT is an overall a-hole airhead, I know more about him personally than most others, his blackface is him being him.

[Wastedyouth]

Nothing takes away from the situation (or any situation, FFS) than "but whatabout Trudeau.."

Seriously stupid.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Off topic and not meant as a shot at GL, but can we make the use (by all sides of the political and social spectrum) of “snowflake” and all its derivatives a bannable offence?

Don't be such a Snowflake

[Huntingwhale]

The photo in question. It's worse then I thought it would be. Poor Aliu. Extremely humiliating for him to be put in that position.

Spoiler!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1204811411265859586

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I'd agree the Bill Peters thing and Trudeau's incident are a fair bit different. But this incident and Trudeau's is a lot more similar IMO. Both guys are ignorant (or will claim they are ignorant) of what they thought was a joke totally crossing the racial line.

One targeted an individual, including him in "the joke". The other did not. Both are bad, but one is *way* worse.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Nothing takes away from the situation (or any situation, FFS) than "but whatabout Trudeau.."

Seriously stupid.

Like it or lump it, the comparison is unavoidable. Talking about the similarities or differences is important, and a part of what Aliu is trying to accomplish by sharing his story.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

The real truth is that people have to pick and choose because they know they voted for Blackface. Why downplay it? Blackface is racist as #### in any context.

Just quickly perusing the Conservative MP list on their web site -

1 Asian lady
2 Sikhs
1 Muslim lady
Can't tell if Bob Saroya is just tanned - he is from Markham, they get summers.
1 Asian man

Out of 121 seats, that's FIVE for sure visible minorities, and one maybe. 96% of that party is white.

Kinda tough to paint the other guy as a racist when your own caucus is 96% T-cell.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by the2bears

One targeted an individual, including him in "the joke". The other did not. Both are bad, but one is *way* worse.

They're both ####ing awful.

Why do we need a blackface severity scale? I'd like someone to honestly answer this if they can.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I respectfully disagree. Trudeau's repeated passes serve to diminish the trauma that Aliu and others have experienced.

If the Prime Minister of Canada is not to be held accountable for his (ignorant) actions why should anyone else be?

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Like it or lump it, the comparison is unavoidable. Talking about the similarities or differences is important, and a part of what Aliu is trying to accomplish by sharing his story.

Except that the people bringing it up don't want to discuss the similarities and differences between the two situations. They just want to say "Trudeau wasn't sufficiently punished for it, so why should anyone else be punished at all?" It just a red herring intended, apparently, to distract from any of the meaningful, good faith dialogue that Aliu may be trying to encourage by sharing his story.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

They're both ####ing awful.

Why do we need a blackface severity scale? I'd like someone to honestly answer this if they can.

We have severity scales for murder.

[Flamenspiel]

It’s bad in Hockey but atleast we do not have all those horrible monkey chants and rascist chants that occur constantly in European soccer. Rascism is so much worse in Europe.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by 868904

This is not hockey culture, it’s just pure evil racism.

Ah yes, the culture that brought us the Soggy Biscuit certainly is shocking when they push racist charicatures.

[PepsiFree]

There are degrees to everything, from saying the n-word, using the term “f####t”, wearing blackface, etc. Of course some instances will be worse than others, sometimes certain things will be even be acceptable (blackface isn’t one of them, in our culture at least), and there is value in having discussions on what those degrees are and why they exist/matter.

I just wish I had faith in people to be honest in those conversations. I don’t.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Aliu sure had a rough career. I sure hope that isn't the average person's experience on the way to the NHL. I honestly had higher expectations for humanity, being 2019. It would be a disgusting act from teammates, let alone management.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

The photo in question. It's worse then I thought it would be. Poor Aliu. Extremely humiliating for him to be put in that position.

Spoiler!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1204811411265859586

This is actually worse than I thought.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I respectfully disagree. Trudeau's repeated passes serve to diminish the trauma that Aliu and others have experienced.

If the Prime Minister of Canada is not to be held accountable for his (ignorant) actions why should anyone else be?

The Prime Minister lost 27 seats and his majority hold on power. I don't think he loses 27 seats to the empty suit that is Andrew Scheer without the blackface scandal.

If you want him to resign, that's cool. I'm not even saying he shouldn't. I didn't vote Liberal in the last election, in large part because I found the blackface so distasteful. The repetition was especially damning - it's one thing to do it once and be corrected, it's another thing when another race is just your go to move at costume parties.

I'm ready for the Chrystia Freeland experience. I like the cut of that lady's jib. She saved a trade deal and did a great job negotiating with Trump's America. I'd have voted Liberal in 2019 if she was the leader.

[CroFlames]

In these situations I try to put myself in the shoes of the victim.

This experience was obviously awful for him. As a Canadian, Akim probably views the fact that Canadians still voted for Trudeau after multiple black face incidents as a sign that Canadians don’t think racist behavior is that bad. That would make me feel even less alone.

That’s why bringing the Trudeau incidents into the conversation is relevant.

Aliu has been abused multiple times. The top office in his home country makes light of it. Justin should have stepped down when the pictures surfaced to prove he takes racism seriously.