12-07-2019, 12:34 PM
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#4041
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Franchise Player
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Haha fun read.
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12-07-2019, 12:43 PM
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#4042
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
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Fleeced!
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12-07-2019, 12:54 PM
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#4043
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Hanifin's slow development coupled with Dougie's beastmode this year indicates that it wasn't a fleecing. If anything Calgary gave up too much value. A 2nd line C/RW and a #4 dman isnt enough when you're dealing a 1D, an elite prospect and a really good 3rd liner
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12-07-2019, 12:57 PM
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#4044
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Could Care Less
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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix
Hanifin's slow development coupled with Dougie's beastmode this year indicates that it wasn't a fleecing. If anything Calgary gave up too much value. A 2nd line C/RW and a #4 dman isnt enough when you're dealing a 1D, an elite prospect and a really good 3rd liner
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Wrong. Lindholm is a first liner who is strong defensively as well. He’s the best player in this deal. Ferland only plays like 45 games/year. Fox wasn’t going to sign. Hana fin is currently a very good 2nd pairing d man, with top pairing upside. Hamilton isn’t elite, he’s very good but one dimensional.
It’s not quite a fleecing but the Flames clearly came out on top as it stands.
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12-07-2019, 01:03 PM
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#4045
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix
Hanifin's slow development coupled with Dougie's beastmode this year indicates that it wasn't a fleecing. If anything Calgary gave up too much value. A 2nd line C/RW and a #4 dman isnt enough when you're dealing a 1D, an elite prospect and a really good 3rd liner
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It's a tough one. Lindholm has been the Flames best forward this season so I feel the Flames did well getting him and Hanafin. That said I don't think Hanafin's ceiling is close to Hamilton who is a franchise defensman and most valuable player in the deal. That said Hamilton's contract expires next season and the unfortunate Trouba (vastly inferior to Hamilton) contract has driven up what it's going to cost to keep him. I'm fine with the trade although the Flames really miss a trigger man like Hamilton especially on the powerplay.
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12-07-2019, 01:06 PM
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#4046
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Back in Calgary!!
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Hes 22. Hes cost controlled at really good value, and isnt close to finished developing. Oh yeah and Lindholm is pretty good too.
Hamilton is very soon going to command a hefty price as an FA. Ferland left, and Fox didn't want to sign in either place.
But yeah what a crappy number 4 dman.
Unless you're Edmonton, nobody really fleeces anybody.
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12-07-2019, 01:41 PM
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#4047
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix
Hanifin's slow development coupled with Dougie's beastmode this year indicates that it wasn't a fleecing. If anything Calgary gave up too much value. A 2nd line C/RW and a #4 dman isnt enough when you're dealing a 1D, an elite prospect and a really good 3rd liner
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While I agree with you for the most part, I wouldn’t call Lindholm a second line player.
It’s an elite Norris contending D and third round pick, and a season of Ferland for a 1 RW who maybe can play center and a sub par 4 D man who still has potential but also looks like it may be tapped out, despite what most here say. It’s definitely not a fleecing on our part, it probably isn’t even a win. The Lindholm contract is the only thing that keeps it from being a loss imo. The Hanifin contract, despite what is said, is at best fair value.
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12-07-2019, 01:45 PM
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#4048
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heep223
Wrong. Lindholm is a first liner who is strong defensively as well. He’s the best player in this deal. Ferland only plays like 45 games/year. Fox wasn’t going to sign. Hana fin is currently a very good 2nd pairing d man, with top pairing upside. Hamilton isn’t elite, he’s very good but one dimensional.
It’s not quite a fleecing but the Flames clearly came out on top as it stands.
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There is not a world where Lindholm is the best player in the deal jfc. Hamilton is elite, looking likely to be a Norris finalist right now, and drives possession as good as any D in the league, which is the kind of ‘defensive’ I want my defensemen to be.
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12-07-2019, 02:40 PM
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#4049
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I think Lindholm is best player from that trade, have wanted him at center since that 2013 draft, Hamilton would have been if he was a true 1# stud d-man, but he is too inconsistent, and lacking a bit in his zone, Hanifin's skill set is pretty high, hope he takes another step, Ferland was a hi and bye. Am just a bit intrigued by how good a player Fox will be.
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12-07-2019, 02:43 PM
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#4050
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Hamilton is by far the best player in the trade. Not even close and I like Lindholm. Franchise defensemen are work far more than a winger.
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12-07-2019, 02:49 PM
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#4051
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2012
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I really like Hamilton but is he really a Franchise D? Top pairing for sure but Franchise D might be a bit much imo
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12-07-2019, 02:49 PM
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#4052
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Hamilton is by far the best player in the trade. Not even close and I like Lindholm. Franchise defensemen are work far more than a winger.
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I tend to agree, but it is really disingenuous to call Lindholm a winger.
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12-07-2019, 03:03 PM
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#4053
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
I tend to agree, but it is really disingenuous to call Lindholm a winger.
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He plays 99% of the time on the wing, how is it disingenuous?
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12-07-2019, 03:10 PM
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#4054
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Holland
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All things considered. I'd make that trade 100% every time, all the time, anytime.
Fox not signing here was public info, not something Flames could of withheld to boost trade value. Dougie is having a great season, meh. Do we forget how much people complained about him?
Ferland is a 30-40 point player who has been injured every single season of pro hockey he's played...
If Fox signed with the Canes that might weigh things a tiny bit differently, but he didn't.
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12-07-2019, 03:13 PM
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#4055
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heep223
Wrong. Lindholm is a first liner who is strong defensively as well. He’s the best player in this deal. Ferland only plays like 45 games/year. Fox wasn’t going to sign. Hana fin is currently a very good 2nd pairing d man, with top pairing upside. Hamilton isn’t elite, he’s very good but one dimensional.
It’s not quite a fleecing but the Flames clearly came out on top as it stands.
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Hanifin is a passable 2nd pairing dman, nothing more AT THIS POINT IMO. Who knows if he develops into anything more but that 2nd pairing is a tire fire at the moment but I think that's mostly Hamonic, who is our most overrated player. Couldn't work with Brodie, can't work with Hanifin. Running out of partners for him to hold back. Until we see Hanifin with a better partner, it will be difficult to assess his true value. To me though, from watching him carefully, he hasn't really improved at all in his 1.5 years here for all the advocating people do about his potential and youth. Sometimes players are who they are, even at 22 or 23. Personally, I think Andersson is a better player than either Hanifin or Hamonic. I would run Hanifin with Andersson to see what you've got. Hamonic to the 3rd pair where he belongs or, preferably, traded to another team.
Also, do you think Hamilton could be acquired for Lindholm 1 for 1? I sure don't and I think that indicates that Hamilton is actually the best player in the trade.
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12-07-2019, 03:15 PM
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#4056
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix
Hanifin's slow development coupled with Dougie's beastmode this year indicates that it wasn't a fleecing. If anything Calgary gave up too much value. A 2nd line C/RW and a #4 dman isnt enough when you're dealing a 1D, an elite prospect and a really good 3rd liner
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Interesting take. Definitely don't agree with most of what you say.
Lindholm is a #1 RW/C
Hanifin's ceiling is far, far higher than a #4 dman. To call him that is to fail to recognize his potential. He'll likely settle as a #2 IMO. This team has multiple potential top pairing dmen in Gio, Valimaki, Hanifin and Andersson. Just because we're deep doesn't mean you should underrate the guys who aren't playing top pairing minutes atm.
Hamilton is an offensive dman who has compete issues in his own zone. He can definitely play top pairing but I hated his effort and compete in the defensive zone. Not missing him one bit.
The trade remains a solid win for Calgary IMO. We got 2 core players for 1 core player. I guess Fox remains the wildcard.
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12-07-2019, 03:15 PM
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#4057
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
I tend to agree, but it is really disingenuous to call Lindholm a winger.
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He's less of a center than even Draisaitl.
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12-07-2019, 03:15 PM
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#4058
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FiveSeven
All things considered. I'd make that trade 100% every time, all the time, anytime.
Fox not signing here was public info, not something Flames could of withheld to boost trade value. Dougie is having a great season, meh. Do we forget how much people complained about him?
Ferland is a 30-40 point player who has been injured every single season of pro hockey he's played...
If Fox signed with the Canes that might weigh things a tiny bit differently, but he didn't.
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What does it matter that Fox didn't sign with the Canes, they still turned him into 2 2nd round picks. I would love a couple extra 2nds, but this franchise seems content to trade them all away and only draft 4-5 times a year
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12-07-2019, 03:17 PM
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#4059
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jonkaupp
There is not a world where Lindholm is the best player in the deal jfc. Hamilton is elite, looking likely to be a Norris finalist right now, and drives possession as good as any D in the league, which is the kind of ‘defensive’ I want my defensemen to be.
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Well many of us in live in a world where Lindholm is currently the best player in the deal. Perhaps you're the one in the alternate dimension?
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12-07-2019, 03:19 PM
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#4060
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FiveSeven
All things considered. I'd make that trade 100% every time, all the time, anytime.
Fox not signing here was public info, not something Flames could of withheld to boost trade value. Dougie is having a great season, meh. Do we forget how much people complained about him?
Ferland is a 30-40 point player who has been injured every single season of pro hockey he's played...
If Fox signed with the Canes that might weigh things a tiny bit differently, but he didn't.
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Yep, Flames make that trade over and over again....
Hamilton while he is a top pairing dman, in my view he is not elite.
Hanifin of course is only 22, give him another couple of years to figure out his game....
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