[News] Bill Peters resigns as head coach. No longer part of Flames org. Ward interim HC

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by the2bears

It's not so simple, though. People decide based on a number of criteria, not just the one in question. Voting for Trudeau in no way means a person agrees *with every* position and thing the politician has done.

But he was allowed to keep his job...why?

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

My logic is that past misdeeds should not be immediately disqualifying for what the person is doing now. I applied that to Trudeau, when those photos came out I said he should be forgiven for past dumb racist actions and that in and of itself should not disqualify him from being PM. The media, and the Canadian people seemed to agree, he was re-eelected and Ir ead a lot of opinions from some of the very people in this thread that the apology meant he showed the appropriate amount of contrition and we should all move on. Which I can accept, I think that's a good standard for society to have. It becomes perplexing, however, so to see essentially the same situation play out now and have the same people suddenly being on the side of no apology is enough and Peters needs to go full stop. The minor differences in age (29 vs 45 big whoop), time elapsed, level of racism (stuffing a sock down your tattered jean shorts and whooping like an ape with blackface seems pretty racist to me), and perceived quality of apology are all red herrings and inconsequential. My beef is with the large overlapping number of people who forgave Trudeau but won't extend the same to Peters. Unfortunately for society, instead of realizing a common sense forgiveness standard it seems to be more about taking any and all people out who transgress except those on your "side" like Trudeau or the lady from CTV who stereotyped hockey players.

You forget that CP has a rather substantial % of the venn diagram overlap of Liberal party supporters and flames fans.

Maybe its just the overly vocal ones.. idk

[stang]

As a fan of a rival team. I don’t have any issues with the way the Flames have handled this. Pretty well done in my opinion.

That being said, for all the crap Oilers media gets for being cheerleaders and homers, I’d take them any day over the asshats Calgary has. Jeez Francis and Pinder are terrible.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

You forget that CP has a rather substantial % of the venn diagram overlap of Liberal party supporters and flames fans.

Maybe its just the overly vocal ones.. idk

You both forget that Calgary Puck is comprised of thousands of posters with thousands of opinions on thousands of varied subjects. Any characterization of majority "supporters" in one direction or another is likely to be wrong.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

It really depends on the severity of the transgressions, you must not see mocking black people as a severe issue if you equate it to an ass grab vs rape. The moral compass of Makarov.

I like what you did there. Very persuasive.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by transplant99

But he was allowed to keep his job...why?

Little thing called Democracy.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by transplant99

But he was allowed to keep his job...why?

Probably because the two entities that could deal with this, did.

The Liberal Party of Canada never removed him as their leader and the citizens of Canada never removed him from the office of PM of Canada.

The second entity probably could have made a difference with an appropriate leader in opposition.

What other avenues or hierarchy do you see available in Canada to deal with it in a different manner or fashion?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Little thing called Democracy.

Incorrect.

Democracy had nothing to do with him remaining party leader. That was entirely up to that organization.

Try again.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by stang

...That being said, for all the crap Oilers media gets for being cheerleaders and homers, I’d take them any day over the asshats Calgary has. Jeez Francis and Pinder are terrible.

How unsurprising. With that lot of koolaid guzzling propagandists Oilers fans can be forgiven for their mistaken belief that their crappy team is a perennial Stanley Cup threat. Delusion tens to be pretty comfortable.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by redforever

Probably because the two entities that could deal with this, did.

The Liberal Party of Canada never removed him as their leader and the citizens of Canada never removed him from the office of PM of Canada.

The second entity probably could have made a difference with an appropriate leader in opposition.

What other avenues or hierarchy do you see available in Canada to deal with it in a different manner or fashion?

Exactly...so what does that say about them?

And why is a different standard expected of SN/CBC or the Calgary Flames?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Incorrect.

Democracy had nothing to do with him remaining party leader. That was entirely up to that organization.

Try again.

Sorry, I thought we meant Prime Minister.

I guess the reason why Trudeau was allowed to stay in as the party leader was because people like you don't believe dressing up in blackface is racist, or at least wasn't.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by transplant99

But he was allowed to keep his job...why?

Andrew Sheer

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by transplant99

But he was allowed to keep his job...why?

Perhaps voters weighed Trudeau's racist incidents against his legislative and governmental record since that time, which included things like:

a $45-million investment in a national anti-racism strategy;
the addition of far-right groups to its list of outlawed terrorist organizations;
an announcement that Canada would officially recognize the International Decade for People of African Descent;
etc, etc.

I mean, I didn't even vote for a Liberal candidate in the recent election (although that was due to the SNC Lavalin scandal). I just can't stand these silly, simplistic red herrings being tossed out again and again.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Exactly...so what does that say about them?

And why is a different standard expected of SN/CBC or the Calgary Flames?

I never said there should be a different standard or that I agreed with the Liberals with not removing him...and I never voted Liberal.

I said it was dealt with in the only way that I know available to us in Canada. I asked you, what other avenues are present in Canada to deal with a PM who has such discretions from their past?

[stang]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

How unsurprising. With that lot of koolaid guzzling propagandists Oilers fans can be forgiven for their mistaken belief that their crappy team is a perennial Stanley Cup threat. Delusion tens to be pretty comfortable.

I don’t read or listen to Staples. I’m pretty sure only Flames fans read his articles.

Edit: not a fan of the kick them while they are down media you have.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by transplant99

But he was allowed to keep his job...why?

It's all about controlling the narrative. Take this guy

Jaime Battiste apologized for tweets he said he made during 'difficult times in my life'

AFAIK still has a job. Really sick of double standards.

[hwy19man]

Originally Posted by transplant99

But he was allowed to keep his job...why?

Ontario and Quebec.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by stang

As a fan of a rival team. I don’t have any issues with the way the Flames have handled this. Pretty well done in my opinion.

That being said, for all the crap Oilers media gets for being cheerleaders and homers, I’d take them any day over the asshats Calgary has. Jeez Francis and Pinder are terrible.

Pinder isn't actually that bad when he sticks to sports, but his "moral superiority" complex continually surfaces in all aspects of his job. He belittles his own colleagues on air at times when he disagrees with them.

What he did today was WAY WAY over the line of questioning though, and i fully expect he will be admonished by Rogers, and possibly severely since SN and the Flames are partners in business. The glare BT gave him was astounding and spoke volumes.

All that being said I will take both of them over Stauffer who is a world class boot licker.

[Flame On]

Exceptional whataboutism going on.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by zamler

It's all about controlling the narrative...Really sick of double standards.

So start a thread about it if it bothers you so much.