Evan Woolley's motion to reconsider Flames Arena funding fails 4-11

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I still don’t understand why a regular fan even wants a new arena.

Significantly more money for the same experience with a slight bell or whistle. But really just more money to watch hockey. Who wants that?

If you a long time season ticket holder in a good spot then the status quo is fine. If you are a newer STH with a lot of money to spend then a shake up is a good thing. The Oiler STHs in good spots really got hosed.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I still don’t understand why a regular fan even wants a new arena.

Significantly more money for the same experience with a slight bell or whistle. But really just more money to watch hockey. Who wants that?

First off don't know what a "regular" fan is ... but I guess as an Oiler fan you're taking some queues from Lowe (yeah I'm kidding)

But I'm not sure I'd call it bells and whistles.

Having been in 9-10 NHL rinks in the past 5 years or so the Saddledome is the only place I've been where simple things are a no go

- can you go see a buddy at the other side of the arena at an intermission? No
- can you go to the bathroom and still have time to pick up a beer? No
- should you leave early every game to avoid getting stuck in a cattle gate? Maybe

These aren't bells and whistles. The building has great sight lines, but the social aspect of going to a hockey game is almost rendered impossible with the design.

Do I want to spend double to go to a game? Probably not, but I'd certainly pay more.

[btimbit]

Yes votes from the usual suspects. Sigh.

We need municipal term limits

[Mccree]

Nvm

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Yes votes from the usual suspects. Sigh.

We need municipal term limits

What a weird take.

Woolley, Farrell and Farkas are rarely on the same side of anything for this to be usual . Woolley and Farrell being on the side of something without Carra is unusual, Farkas being on the side of something without Magliocca or Chu is unusual.

But aside from that, Farkas and Chahal are both first term councilors, and Woolley is a second term councilor, so what good would term limits do in this case?

[kevman]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Yes votes from the usual suspects. Sigh.

We need municipal term limits

You mean Farkas right? That guy is against everything!

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Meghan Potkins
@mpotkins
Coun. Keating says it would be "extremely easy" for him now to take from arena to restore Green Line funding. Keating said the Green Line "must live within its financial mandate" and that he cannot support "cancelling one project to prop up another."

Fiscal prudence --> Logic vs Grand Standing. Bravo, Mr Keating.


Really, I'm not too invested either way into new vs old...

Originally Posted by Bingo

First off don't know what a "regular" fan is ... but I guess as an Oiler fan you're taking some queues from Lowe (yeah I'm kidding)

But I'm not sure I'd call it bells and whistles.

Having been in 9-10 NHL rinks in the past 5 years or so the Saddledome is the only place I've been where simple things are a no go

- can you go see a buddy at the other side of the arena at an intermission? No

I've only been to a few. Certainly couldn't do that at MSG, which is often regarded as the pinnacle of Arena experiences.

- can you go to the bathroom and still have time to pick up a beer? No

Agreed.

- should you leave early every game to avoid getting stuck in a cattle gate? Maybe

I can be quite impatient and I've never left early because of the Saddledome exit experience. It may cost you an extra 2-5 minutes.

I HAVE though, because of the transit/driving exiting options. I'm not confident those will be remediated with the new building.

These aren't bells and whistles. The building has great sight lines, but the social aspect of going to a hockey game is almost rendered impossible with the design.

Social aspect is rendered impossible? NOW THAT is some hyperbole.
Why ever go?

Do I want to spend double to go to a game? Probably not, but I'd certainly pay more.

Certainly valid.

So really this is about the bathroom, concession, and seating being met with more expedient & premium experiences. Coupled with more boxes I imagine too.

[mikephoen]

I’m amazed that some of you don’t know the good ‘secret’ bathrooms in the dome. Or where the short beer lines are.

I won’t give away the best ones, but a pretty good bathroom you can use are the upper loge ones. They’re more than big enough to handle between period crowds, so if you’re seated anywhere close to the stairs just head up to them. When you’re done there, head down to one of the beer vendors on those weird raised sections at either end of the dome. There are multiple beer vending options up there with short enough lines that you’ll easily make it through before puck drop.

[jlh2640]

Good we can move on from this

[Resolute 14]

Keating has pretty much been council's most vocal proponent of the green line as well. He's been fighting for it since he came into office. But unlike Woolley, he chose to act beyond his own self-interest, both personal and professional.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Keating has pretty much been council's most vocal proponent of the green line as well. He's been fighting for it since he came into office. But unlike Woolley, he chose to act beyond his own self-interest, both personal and professional.

Very good point.

The Green Line is a great idea and a very valuable piece of Civic Infrastructure but its got a whole slew of its own issues that need to be resolved that have nothing to do with the Arena deal.

This isnt 'one or the other.' The two are not connected.

Thats not to say that it wouldnt be awesome if the LRT went right to the arena.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Yes votes from the usual suspects. Sigh.

We need municipal term limits

Not sure I agree, especially as in this case it wouldn’t have made any difference.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

The arena reconsideration FAILS 4-11
Keating no
Demong no
Gondek no
Davison no
Colley-Urquhart no
Sutherland no
Woolley yes
Carra no
Chu no
Maglioccaa no
Chahal yes
Farrell yes
Jones no
Farkas yes
Nenshi no

Haha its honestly so sad how the 3 of them constantly try to pull this #### year after year and SOMEHOW get re-elected.

I cant think of a more "dim jim" 3 in the history of this city.

[midniteowl]

I have a questions, once a motion is defeated, it's dead permanently? This Woolley guy or any other guy cannot bring the same motion again, right?

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

I have a questions, once a motion is defeated, it's dead permanently? This Woolley guy or any other guy cannot bring the same motion again, right?

Nobody stops Woolley from a motion except Woolley, he'll be back in a few weeks with another doozey.

[GioforPM]

motion to reconsider the motion to reconsider!!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

The arena reconsideration FAILS 4-11
Keating no
Demong no
Gondek no
Davison no
Colley-Urquhart no
Sutherland no
Woolley yes
Carra no
Chu no
Maglioccaa no
Chahal yes
Farrell yes
Jones no
Farkas yes
Nenshi no

Alright, so whose job was it to tell Ken King that he can release the Councillor's children from the Well in the Saddledome's basement?

He should probably get on that.

[ToraToraTora]

Originally Posted by Locke

Alright, so whose job was it to tell Ken King that he can release the Councillor's children from the Well in the Saddledome's basement?

He should probably get on that.

Please, this is a business. They're busy bagging next seasons Press Level popcorn.

[dino7c]

4 morons who dont understand business or the economy

[Locke]

Originally Posted by ToraToraTora

Please, this is a business. They're busy bagging next seasons Press Level popcorn.

Oooh...a slave-labour joke on Black Friday right after the coach has been fired for racist remarks.

Strong move sir....