[News] Bill Peters resigns as head coach. No longer part of Flames org. Ward interim HC

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

He was essentially asked this twice I believe and his response was that bill submitted his resignation today and was no longer with the organization

Not even it was by mutual agreement, huh?

I don’t really think the part of the presser that I saw is going to play overly well by those who are not already pro Treliving. A direct repudiation of the behavior was what most people were looking for, and perhaps a formal statement to that effect would help. Peters already admitted to some of this publicly.

Luckily this just doesn’t seem to have caught on as a broader story. Pretty low down on the ESPN website, after the WR who mimicked peeing like a dog, until this news. Which won’t be talked about long, is my guess.

[Corral]

If I was paying the bills for this team I would not be happy with treliving despite how this has been resolved. I would say I pay a gm to avoid these problems. I also pay a gm to evaluate FAs and make prudent decisions. His decisions have cost this team millions in dead money.

He no doubt has lots of strengths as well. But his evaluation of people seems to need some work or help.

Time to move on. Will be interesting to see if this puts a dagger in the season. It has that potential.

[Geeoff]

I felt a bit sorry for Brad when someone asked if Bill was still his friend.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Not even it was by mutual agreement, huh?

I don’t really think the part of the presser that I saw is going to play overly well by those who are not already pro Treliving. A direct repudiation of the behavior was what most people were looking for, and perhaps a formal statement to that effect would help. Peters already admitted to some of this publicly.

Luckily this just doesn’t seem to have caught on as a broader story. Pretty low down on the ESPN website, after the WR who mimicked peeing like a dog, until this news. Which won’t be talked about long, is my guess.

Calling the behaviour repulsive isn't enough of a repudiation? It's enough for me.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Torture

Completely disagree with this tweet. He condemned the behaviour as repulsive and for all practical purposes, Peters was fired.

Like Jiri said, hockey writers aren't employment law experts and shouldn't pretend they are.

Hockey writers, who deal with each other on a day in and day out basis, should have more tact than to simply ask a question that puts Treliving in an even more difficult position than he was already in. This doesn't even get into the fact that it is a completely redundant and pointless exercise to assume he'd answer it anyway.

Needless and idiotic move.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I felt a bit sorry for Brad when someone asked if Bill was still his friend.

What was his response to this?

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Corral

If I was paying the bills for this team I would not be happy with treliving despite how this has been resolved. I would say I pay a gm to avoid these problems. I also pay a gm to evaluate FAs and make prudent decisions. His decisions have cost this team millions in dead money.

He no doubt has lots of strengths as well. But his evaluation of people seems to need some work or help.

Time to move on. Will be interesting to see if this puts a dagger in the season. It has that potential.

We get it...you're not a fan

[GreenLantern2814]

Out of curiosity, has anyone noticed that when you leave a plate of McCain Smiles in the oven for too long, it looks like your dinner is wearing blackface? Or is that just me?

[RichKlit]

Originally Posted by Torture

Calling the behaviour repulsive isn't enough of a repudiation? It's enough for me.

Its more than enough. Its just those that revel in blood shed that want more, its actually quite disgusting.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Out of curiosity, has anyone noticed that when you leave a plate of McCain Smiles in the oven for too long, it looks like your dinner is wearing blackface? Or is that just me?

Are you sure Justin Trudeau isn't just hiding in your oven?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

What was his response to this?

Iirc it was something along the lines of “you can hate the play, but don’t hate the player”. Or something like that.

Don’t want to put words in his mouth, not 100 percent sure

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Muta

Are you sure Justin Trudeau isn't just hiding in your oven?

JT doesn't hide that would become a selfie. I lol'd at your comment.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

...Now I didn’t listen to the whole thing but what I can’t believe is that not one reporter asked if the Flames asked for Peters to resign? Did they ask Treliving if his review found the allegations to be accurate? Did they make an attempt to determine whether any similar incidents occurred while Peters was under their employment? Do they have policies and procedures in place that would allow for such issues to be communicated upwards so that he is confident in knowing whether anything took place?...

I definitely recall that this question was asked, and Treliving said unequivocally that there were no similar incidents under Bill Peters in his tenure with the Flames.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Torture

So let me get this straight. The people saying "But Trudeau!"

• Want Trudeau to have been fired
• Aren't OK with Bill Peters being fired (because Trudeau wasn't)
• And for the most part, are the same people that think Don Cherry shouldn't have been fired (because Trudeau wasn't)

Anybody else see some inconsistencies in this logic?

Or maybe people dont fit all 3 categories as you posted them. People may be ok with:

Peters fired
Trudeau removed from leadership
Cherry fired

Maybe some consistency with consequence is what people want (hint: it is).

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Torture

So let me get this straight. The people saying "But Trudeau!"

• Want Trudeau to have been fired
• Aren't OK with Bill Peters being fired (because Trudeau wasn't)
• And for the most part, are the same people that think Don Cherry shouldn't have been fired (because Trudeau wasn't)

Anybody else see some inconsistencies in this logic?

My logic is that past misdeeds should not be immediately disqualifying for what the person is doing now. I applied that to Trudeau, when those photos came out I said he should be forgiven for past dumb racist actions and that in and of itself should not disqualify him from being PM. The media, and the Canadian people seemed to agree, he was re-eelected and Ir ead a lot of opinions from some of the very people in this thread that the apology meant he showed the appropriate amount of contrition and we should all move on. Which I can accept, I think that's a good standard for society to have. It becomes perplexing, however, so to see essentially the same situation play out now and have the same people suddenly being on the side of no apology is enough and Peters needs to go full stop. The minor differences in age (29 vs 45 big whoop), time elapsed, level of racism (stuffing a sock down your tattered jean shorts and whooping like an ape with blackface seems pretty racist to me), and perceived quality of apology are all red herrings and inconsequential. My beef is with the large overlapping number of people who forgave Trudeau but won't extend the same to Peters. Unfortunately for society, instead of realizing a common sense forgiveness standard it seems to be more about taking any and all people out who transgress except those on your "side" like Trudeau or the lady from CTV who stereotyped hockey players.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Or maybe people dont fit all 3 categories as you posted them. People may be ok with:

Peters fired
Trudeau removed from leadership
Cherry fired

Maybe some consistency with consequence is what people want (hint: it is).

We should strive for this type of consistency everywhere. Especially the criminal justice system. Why not just one sentence for all assaults (from spitting to stabbing?) And one sentence for all sexual assaults (from ass grabbing to intercourse)? Wouldn't the world be wonderfully consistent?

[FlamesAddiction]

What Peters is accused of is more than just directing a derogatory remark. Aliu also claims that Peters purposely and actively did things to derail his career. He said that Peters petitioned to the GM have him sent to the ECHL, and in the context of his racist remarks, it's not hard to see why Aliu feels racism and not hockey was the reason. He was having a decent season in the AHL as a 20 year old at the time.

Aliu was a pretty prospect at one time. I always assumed that he was just one of those ones that couldn't put it together, but knowing what we know now, it is conceivable that Peters targeted him in the prime of his development because of personal biases.

As distasteful as Truedeau's costume was, it was more ignorant than vicious in its intent.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by transplant99

If you voted for Trudeau you should have been just fine if Peters kept his job here. Which I believe most people,upon reflection, would not agree with.

It's not so simple, though. People decide based on a number of criteria, not just the one in question. Voting for Trudeau in no way means a person agrees *with every* position and thing the politician has done.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Makarov

We should strive for this type of consistency everywhere. Especially the criminal justice system. Why not just one sentence for all assaults (from spitting to stabbing?) And one sentence for all sexual assaults (from ass grabbing to intercourse)? Wouldn't the world be wonderfully consistent?

It really depends on the severity of the transgressions, you must not see mocking black people as a severe issue if you equate it to an ass grab vs rape. The moral compass of Makarov.

[hixxes]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah i just fired an email off to kirch as well....the more i think about what he was trying to do there, the more my blood boils. Been a pretty emotional 24 hours for me and those around me so maybe i should have waited but it just struck me as so inappropriate and....gross...just no other word for it.

Apparently someone agrees. The replay of the press conference was just cut-off just before Pinder asked his question.

I emailed Kirch to express my disappointment as well.