[News] UPD: Friedman: Peters being officially removed as head coach is close

[cubistcastle]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Not gonna lie, the whole N word thing, even when I hear it in rap lyrics, it makes me uncomfortable. I get it's part of rap culture to use it in their lyrics, and apparently it's ok when a black person calls another black person that, where the intent behind the word being totally different than it being a racial slur. But it just blurs the line with the word, and it can cause confusion among people who aren't black who think all of sudden, there's times when it's ok to use the word.

Not saying it's ok for Peters to say what he said, and not saying I know what his intent was when using the word. But lets just say for the sake of argument he was using the word the same way he would use to describe country music as "hillbilly effing music", all of a sudden, it loses part to of the negative racial tone.

Just my opinion anyways. To be safe, I just never use the word at all. But I do get times where the word gets used and it wasn't intended to be a racial slur. (again, not saying that's the case with Peters here).

This take still exists in 2019 whewwwww

Its not "apparently" okay it just IS okay and if you're confused by that and use the word you're an idiot.

Since you don't know what his intent was, I'll tell you. His intent was to shame his player by associating his music, which he views as negative, with black people, who he also views as negative. Now bring on the free speech absolutists! I want to hear more about how this is a slippery slope and how we should be careful about "ruining" this millionaire racist's life.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Tomorrow makes sense as I can't see the Flames wanting this to go into the weekend.

Also allows it to be largely buried under American Thanksgiving and Black Friday shopping.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Also allows it to be largely buried under American Thanksgiving and Black Friday shopping.

Fixed.

[shadowlord]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

I appreciate all the time that some posters put into some posts and threads, but there is one thing I've been thinking for a while. I'm not sure I have a great solution, but just want to throw it out there.

Some of these threads get pretty large and I can't always read every single post. Sometimes situations like this drag on and I don't even care to read every single post of speculation, etc. For instance, this thread has 47 pages and 933 posts. When I see the thread title, and it says: "UPD", I don't know where the update is if I haven't managed to keep up with the thread. What if we put something like "UPD @ 902" or something similar? Maybe there's a better way? It's just hard when I haven't been able to keep up with a thread all day, then see "UPD" and I've got to try and find where!

I'm not bitching! Does this make sense to anyone else?

I suggest putting a pointer to the post# into the first post.

Same thing with post-game threads... i.e The first post should say: Gaskal's ATL is on post #123... DOPS tweet about hearing on post #456, etc.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

To be fair he said that the NHL will be doing something about it at a later date. Probably after the face to face meeting between Peters and Bettman

In my eyes this needs to be a club firing. An NHL firing could be interpreted as "Calgary hired him in spite of these past actions, and then wouldn't fire him. The league had to do it."

Prefect scenario: Flames fire him. League steps in after and voids his contract.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by shadowlord

I suggest putting a pointer to the post# into the first post.

Same thing with post-game threads... i.e The first post should say: Gaskal's ATL is on post #123... DOPS tweet about hearing on post #456, etc.

Did Gaskal do an ATL on this? That's awesome!

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

I appreciate all the time that some posters put into some posts and threads, but there is one thing I've been thinking for a while. I'm not sure I have a great solution, but just want to throw it out there.

Some of these threads get pretty large and I can't always read every single post. Sometimes situations like this drag on and I don't even care to read every single post of speculation, etc. For instance, this thread has 47 pages and 933 posts. When I see the thread title, and it says: "UPD", I don't know where the update is if I haven't managed to keep up with the thread. What if we put something like "UPD @ 902" or something similar? Maybe there's a better way? It's just hard when I haven't been able to keep up with a thread all day, then see "UPD" and I've got to try and find where!

I'm not bitching! Does this make sense to anyone else?

The easiest way is to quote the update post in the OP. Then you just click the little red/white arrow thing and it takes you straight to the update. Just adding the number seems like a half measure imo.

Not to toot my own horn but see the Cherry thread for an example.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Calling tomorrow. Actually, someone posted the day of it breaking that a firing should happen on a Friday. So lo and behold, Billy P gets the axe on a friday.

Actually prevailing thought is that Friday is the worse day to let someone go.


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[Poe969]

As long as he's gone, it's good enough for me. If the Flames still pay him, it doesn't count against the cap and let's face it, he'll likely never coach again after this. I do hope he doesn't get any money just because he's a ####.

I wonder if former players affected by him could sue him because his coaching ruined their careers.

[schteve_d]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

The easiest way is to quote the update post in the OP. Then you just click the little red/white arrow thing and it takes you straight to the update. Just adding the number seems like a half measure imo.

Not to toot my own horn but see the Cherry thread for an example.

I agree, and in fairness I am replying without having gone to look at your example. I think it's a really good idea, but at the same time people are providing a "service" for nothing in return, and I appreciate everything they do (I'm looking at you Sureloss, and a few others) so I don't think it should be a tedious thing, and am not asking for a lot of work from them, I just think it would make the forum experience "nicer" sometimes.

[Traditional_Ale]

Actually prevailing thought is that Friday is the worse day to let someone go.

Why? Because it's black? You effing racist.

[FanIn80]

Guys, come on. It's "African American Friday."

[PsYcNeT]

Anyone else getting really bad blue balls with every thread title update?

[curves2000]

I am curious what will happen if and when a former or current player comes out and says other players or hockey executives have said something racist.

We are running on the assumption that Peter's will be fired, most likely paid and will find it very very hard to to work in NHL hockey again. I don't think too many people are really arguing against that to be honest.

So what will happen when this comes out again in the future on the player side? I just don't think a handful of games of suspension will be enough. If people are really serious about getting rid of racism, homophobia and other injustices in sport, than you got to go full throttle. I am talking about getting SERIOUS about these things.

I don't think too many people should really object to a superstar player being banished for the rest of their career. I mean I get that a lot of people are really worked up about this incident and it's not a good situation but if this conversation is really about moving forward, than people got to be honest about what needs to happen. I don't want to hear the BS excuse that people in positions of power should be held to additional account. Racist comments are racists comments and low level losers in any organization don't get the mulligan and the top dogs get the freight train running them over.

I just don't know how many people really want to go down that route though, that's the irony.

I've had enough conversations with enough people I know and all of them are craving the blood for Peter's and are up in arm's over this. Outraged! What they fail to understand is that I got have enough memories, photos, videos and other "evidence" of their prior Wigger careers, dressing up like Thugs, Trudeau style costume's and making fun of the gay community and all that jazz.

If I ever got around to it, I got enough material on a couple of political players, Court of Queen's bench judge, prominent Calgary philanthropist and a couple of high ranking executives. People like to get all high and mighty about other people but when it's them that's under the gun, a few people I know might quit chirping their mouths and might take the easy way out and beg for the gun shot to the head.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by dammage79

. Lindholm and Hanifin said nothing apparently about the troubles in Carolina when they arrived here. Or if they did it fell on deaf ears.
.

Very few active players will say anything for fear that their career will all of a sudden take a turn for the worse or end prematurely.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by curves2000

If I ever got around to it, I got enough material on a couple of political players, Court of Queen's bench judge, prominent Calgary philanthropist and a couple of high ranking executives. People like to get all high and mighty about other people but when it's them that's under the gun, a few people I know might quit chirping their mouths and might take the easy way out and beg for the gun shot to the head.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I am curious what will happen if and when a former or current player comes out and says other players or hockey executives have said something racist.

We are running on the assumption that Peter's will be fired, most likely paid and will find it very very hard to to work in NHL hockey again. I don't think too many people are really arguing against that to be honest.

So what will happen when this comes out again in the future on the player side? I just don't think a handful of games of suspension will be enough. If people are really serious about getting rid of racism, homophobia and other injustices in sport, than you got to go full throttle. I am talking about getting SERIOUS about these things.

I don't think too many people should really object to a superstar player being banished for the rest of their career. I mean I get that a lot of people are really worked up about this incident and it's not a good situation but if this conversation is really about moving forward, than people got to be honest about what needs to happen. I don't want to hear the BS excuse that people in positions of power should be held to additional account. Racist comments are racists comments and low level losers in any organization don't get the mulligan and the top dogs get the freight train running them over.

The difference becomes the amount of power a person has over the victim. A player calls an opponent a slur there is a mechincism or dealing with it on the ice. A guy calls his co-worker a slur and if the workplace has a good culture it would be dealt with. A coach calls the player a slur and then sends them to the minor or a boss lays off the person because their a minority and it’s much harder for the victim to get any kind of justice.

It is inherently less bad when it is low level losers than power brokers therefore the consequences should be different. This doesn’t excuse those at the player or worker level but it isn’t as bad.

Shades of grey is important here.

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

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[Beninho]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Not gonna lie, the whole N word thing, even when I hear it in rap lyrics, it makes me uncomfortable. I get it's part of rap culture to use it in their lyrics, and apparently it's ok when a black person calls another black person that, where the intent behind the word being totally different than it being a racial slur. But it just blurs the line with the word, and it can cause confusion among people who aren't black who think all of sudden, there's times when it's ok to use the word.

Not saying it's ok for Peters to say what he said, and not saying I know what his intent was when using the word. But lets just say for the sake of argument he was using the word the same way he would use to describe country music as "hillbilly effing music", all of a sudden, it loses part to of the negative racial tone.

Just my opinion anyways. To be safe, I just never use the word at all. But I do get times where the word gets used and it wasn't intended to be a racial slur. (again, not saying that's the case with Peters here).

Bro, he used the N bomb directed at a Black player, I don’t care if it was an isolated incident or in a fit of rage it’s flat out ####ing disgusting and I’m surprised Aliu didn’t rip his head off.

My GF is Black and I’ve seen the racism she’s dealt with, if anyone that wasn’t black would say this word around her, outside of an educational setting I would rip their head off and I’m white af. Please educate yourself and the people who upvoted this should as well. It’s one of the lowest things you could say as a white person to a person of color. It really doesn’t get worse.

#### Peters

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by cubistcastle

Its not "apparently" okay it just IS okay and if you're confused by that and use the word you're an idiot.

You can make your point without calling someone an idiot.