[News] UPD: Friedman: Peters being officially removed as head coach is close

[ToraToraTora]

Originally Posted by Otto29

That is incorrect. It is still a core tenant of our democracy. We, as in the general public, feel we get to place blame based on information passed via media with whatever spin they deem appropriate. It's incredibly ignorant for us to sit here and say "This 'probably' happened so we insist you destroy this guy's life." If it was you, I promise you would want the opportunity to have a fair process applied.

If its discovered that Peters did do this then the appropriate measures should be taken. Its not fair for any of us to pick up the pitchforks before then. If its found out that he didn't do this, well it seems his lively hood has already been destroyed. Now imagine that is you and how you you feel about this.

Im not going to argue anymore about this. I'm just trying to make a point that this process is far from fair and the world of social media has destroys a guys life

I feel like I owe you a reply and a bit of an explanation of what I was getting at.

What I meant to say in regard to him "probably" doing this and should be fired, is that based upon everything I've seen, is that, if I had to make a decision based upon it, right now, he should be fired. I want there to be a full investigation, and I want there to be some semblance of transparency. I have faith that that is being done.

I'm not out there banging a drum that his life be destroyed, I'm trying to say that if what is alleged and that the substantiation by the other two players and Brind'Amour remains as it is, he should not be employed by this team.

[Owen15]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Hung jury mistrial 100% of the time?

Your honour, I’m sorry to tell you the jury simply cannot come to a verdict. We are eternally in disagreement.

On Bennett’s role, when or if to trade Johnny or whether we’d rather suffer with Neal or Lucic in the bottom 6.

One prima facie certainty we all agree is Edmonton is no good.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Rando

He's still an employee of the Flames, probably not.

Probably.

I was just thinking of the unceremonious Gerard Gallant parking lot sacking by the Panthers.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Alright let’s have a discussion then if you think your post wasn’t stupid.

Go on and tell us more about the difference between applicable law and legal reasons for the delay.

Tell us more about how reasons = issues.

Tell us more about what makes you qualified to judge whether there are legal issues with his firing.

Lawyers have commented. There’s news stories linked in this thread that I doubt you’ve read. Give us your law background please.

So far your post appears stupid to many of us. You’ll have to educate us as to why we shouldn’t consider it an uninformed opinion.

You need some fresh air and take a step back. You seem a little too hot over an Internet forum.

There are laws. And legal issues arise in the application of those laws. There are laws governing the employment of bill peters and issue arise when his employer seeks to terminate his employment in accordance with the law. Those issues or reasons as I initially wrote are what is likely delaying his termination.

Now see if you can reply without using the word ‘stupid’ which in some circles is as derogatory as what peters is alleged to have said

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Probably.

I was just thinking of the unceremonious Gerard Gallant parking lot sacking by the Panthers.

Maybe he was given a cab voucher?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Corral

...There are laws. And legal issues arise in the application of those laws. There are laws governing the employment of bill peters and issue arise when his employer seeks to terminate his employment in accordance with the law. Those issues or reasons as I initially wrote are what is likely delaying his termination...

That is not what you initially wrote...

Originally Posted by Corral

As time continues to roll it suggests to me that the delay is because the Flames are deciding whether to turf Treliving along with Peters in this debacle.

[curves2000]

I know a lot of people are just waiting around for the killing to occur but there is a lot of balls in the air that need to be dealt with, one of them being is the dollars and the cash. I know people don't want to hear about the money aspect but its an important piece for everybody involved. This won't be the last of this for anyone in the NHL, at all and this needs to be dealt with properly.

Bill Peter's will be fired for this almost 100%, that's fine. Where this get's dicey is that what portion of the contract dollars are paid out? By whom? Do the Carolina Hurricane's have any role to play in the money side? The NHL? I have heard a lot of people talk about "pay him and move on with it" Are the Flames ownership group thrilled about paying out approx $4.5 million Canadian ? I doubt it, despite the allegations.

Is Bill Peter's going to just walk away from that type of compensation with his future earnings being compromised? Does he deserve an opportunity to earn an income in the NHL going forward?

Does Akim Aliu have a case for compensation from the NHL/AHL for what he describes is his career being railroaded? He compared his case to a smaller version of Kaepernick in some ways and Kaepernick got a big cheque as a result. Who would pay for that?

Although I believe Akim Aliu's version of events happened as he described, what if evidence's shows that only part of what was "Tweeted" was factually true as per the investigation, does Bill Peter's have a case for partial defamation and loss of income in a lawsuit? Who would pay for Akim Aliu's legal costs?

A few friends of mine were adamant that Peter's be canned and dealt with literally within an hour of this story breaking. They kind of shut their mouth quickly when questioned if they were willing to pay out huge severance to an employee for personal conduct a decade ago in their own business?

It's a tough situation for everyone involved and lot's of answers that are needed. What if allegations come out against Ward, our coach tonight? What if allegations about any sort of personal conduct come out against a coach, GM, executive, trainer etc during a long playoff run. Whats the proper method of dealing with this all?

It's craziness all around

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

I wonder if the NHL is going to bother with the face to face meeting with Peters, after the Flames go ahead and officially announce they've terminated his contract.

Maybe a part of the delay is the NHL wanting to have a meeting with Peters. They want to determine if they need to pass punishment which would make it easier for the Flames to outright terminate his contract, or maybe they want to pass punishment but probably can't if the Flames have already fired him.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Corral

You need some fresh air and take a step back. You seem a little too hot over an Internet forum.

There are laws. And legal issues arise in the application of those laws. There are laws governing the employment of bill peters and issue arise when his employer seeks to terminate his employment in accordance with the law. Those issues or reasons as I initially wrote are what is likely delaying his termination.

Now see if you can reply without using the word ‘stupid’ which in some circles is as derogatory as what peters is alleged to have said

Lol. Really? Stupid is derogatory now? And AS derogatory as the N bomb? Now THAT IS stupid. How about dumb, slow, nitwitted, dimwitted? We going to mark all those down as bad as an N bomb?

How about we just ban the English language? We will all just talk like teletubbies and the world will be safe.

[Resolute 14]

Stupid is thinking that someone is "a little too hot over an Internet forum" because they challenged you to back up your BS.

[CedarMeter]

Here come the Sutter rumors.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

I would imagine that, as a lawyer, you'd realize that there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes that the public is not privy to, and that any rushed decision has a higher chance of being a poor decision. I prefer they take their time, speak with all the relevant people, gather all the necessary documents, and weigh all the options.

And this is coming from another lawyer.

The Flames lawyers are never going to make the decision about whether to fire him or not. The details of the allegation are known, which have been publicly corroborated by two other individuals. They could certainly come up with an opinion that says whether or not, under his contract, Peter can be terminated without compensation, subject to the usual caveats on uncertainty as to what a court may decide.

What the Flames decide to do with that, and how the league and Peter's own lawyers play into that, can certainly add to the length of time it takes to fire him or not. However the opinion from the Flames own lawyers shouldn't take too much time given the amount of resources a top-flight firm would have

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Alright let’s have a discussion then if you think your post wasn’t stupid.

Go on and tell us more about the difference between applicable law and legal reasons for the delay.

Tell us more about how reasons = issues.

Tell us more about what makes you qualified to judge whether there are legal issues with his firing.

Lawyers have commented. There’s news stories linked in this thread that I doubt you’ve read. Give us your law background please.

So far your post appears stupid to many of us. You’ll have to educate us as to why we shouldn’t consider it an uninformed opinion.

Outside observation here and not an attempt to join this particular discussion...FDW your posts sure have seemed "angry" lately. Maybe I'm wrong, as I don't see everything. Anyway, hope all is well. Cheers

[Reggie Dunlop]

Rick Tocchet was caught in a organized gambling ring. Resumed coaching after a two year league suspension (later reduced to three months).

Is Peters meeting with the NHL to determine a similar deal?

Are they comparable situations?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Rick Tocchet was caught in a organized gambling ring. Resumed coaching after a two year league suspension.

Is Peters meeting with the NHL to determine a similar deal?

Are they comparable situations?

Comparable in that they could negotiate a two year suspension? Perhaps.

Not comparable though in that if Peters gets fired for racism, he's not going to get another job in the NHL.

[Split98]

Edit: Oops

[Two Fivenagame]

Peters left to go have his meeting with the NHL, no? There update doesn't say he's back in Calgary or anything.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Lol. Really? Stupid is derogatory now? And AS derogatory as the N bomb? Now THAT IS stupid. How about dumb, slow, nitwitted, dimwitted? We going to mark all those down as bad as an N bomb?

How about we just ban the English language? We will all just talk like teletubbies and the world will be safe.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Comparable in that they could negotiate a two year suspension? Perhaps.

Not comparable though in that if Peters gets fired for racism, he's not going to get another job in the NHL.

It's just so unprecedented it's difficult to predict an eventual outcome.

Bill Peters won't be the last.

[Since1984]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Probably.

I was just thinking of the unceremonious Gerard Gallant parking lot sacking by the Panthers.

And boy did they ever get that one wrong. Gallant is a great coach. Lucky Quenneville got sacked by Chicago.