[News] UPD: Friedman: Peters being officially removed as head coach is close

[Ferarri]

Really disappointing to hear the events of today. As a life long fan of the game I’m starting to really sour on the league from both an entertainment level to now this. Children idolize sport stars and to see grown men abuse their authority is sickening. There is no excuse for this kind of behaviour and ultimately should cost Peters his job. I would like to think that people in his position would respect their influence on the young and impressionable and strive to help them be better hockey players but also better people.

It’s become a sad state of affairs how this has played out. The Flames, in my opinion, have done a good job addressing this right away. I have a feeling that this is only the beginning as we see more evidence coming out about different coaches.

One thing that i recall on a day like today is the Vancouver 2010 Olympics and how the game united fans from coast to coast. Unlike 2010, this is a dark dark day for the sport. Very sad.

[81MC]

Hazing, yes, get that #### rooted out. Most of it is deplorable, disgusting behaviour. Underage drinking, well, I partied pretty hard with people who were nowhere near as jacked up and machismo as fresh hockey players, and there was a fair amount of debauchery at those parties.
I think I’m going to have to tune out for a bit. My opinions on whether a coach swearing at someone or a kick in the ass being abusive or not are probably not going to jive with the current standard.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Really disappointing to hear the events of today. As a life long fan of the game I’m starting to really sour on the league from both an entertainment level to now this. Children idolize sport stars and to see grown men abuse their authority is sickening. There is no excuse for this kind of behaviour and ultimately should cost Peters his job. I would like to think that people in his position would respect their influence on the young and impressionable and strive to help them be better hockey players but also better people.

It’s become a sad state of affairs how this has played out. The Flames, in my opinion, have done a good job addressing this right away. I have a feeling that this is only the beginning as we see more evidence coming out about different coaches.

One thing that i recall on a day like today is the Vancouver 2010 Olympics and how the game united fans from coast to coast. Unlike 2010, this is a dark dark day for the sport. Very sad.

I feel situations that involve any combination of money, power imbalance, authority, sex etc. will result in people abusing their power in some fashion. Whether it's politics, Hollywood, Epstein, NFL, or now NHL, it has probably always been there to some degree, and probably always will.

[sharkov]

Mike commodore might have started the#metoo movement of bad coaches

[calumniate]

The flames have strived to create a solid image for themselves lately and my hope / belief is that it's heartfelt. The way the organization worked with Ferland and addiction.. adding mcgrattan into the fold in consulting.

I kind of wonder what mcgrattan thinks of this because his role seemed to be pretty forward thinking (for hockey anyway lol). Pretty hard for a system like that to work if everyone isn't on board

[Slanter]

Since we're all just talking around in circles, waiting for the shoe to drop here's a thought I've been having:

Okay, a coach can't be racist, for sure. But a big thing being addressed in all sorts of corporate structures right now is bullies. People are losing their job, or being disciplined for being a bully.

Can an NHL coach be a bully? Isn't that sort of their job? Or is that an old fashioned way to get the most out of players now? Sounds like Babcock is a bully. Probably Peters too.

Discuss...

[Incogneto]

Carcillo is on a run on twitter...
https://twitter.com/CarBombBoom13

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Slanter

Since we're all just talking around in circles, waiting for the shoe to drop here's a thought I've been having:

Okay, a coach can't be racist, for sure. But a big thing being addressed in all sorts of corporate structures right now is bullies. People are losing their job, or being disciplined for being a bully.

Can an NHL coach be a bully? Isn't that sort of their job? Or is that an old fashioned way to get the most out of players now? Sounds like Babcock is a bully. Probably Peters too.

Discuss...

Depends. Commodore said he hated Babcock but like Sutter. Felt he was quite tough but not a psychopath. And yet now we’re hearing stuff about Darryl from other players.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Slanter

Since we're all just talking around in circles, waiting for the shoe to drop here's a thought I've been having:

Okay, a coach can't be racist, for sure. But a big thing being addressed in all sorts of corporate structures right now is bullies. People are losing their job, or being disciplined for being a bully.

Can an NHL coach be a bully? Isn't that sort of their job? Or is that an old fashioned way to get the most out of players now? Sounds like Babcock is a bully. Probably Peters too.

Discuss...

I don’t believe there is a place for personal attacks in any workplace. That would be the line for me. Performance can be commented on at any level and the factor is HOW you do that. In a professional sport setting there is space for yelling and swearing in terms of performance (dogging it in practice, being late, etc...). Not to say that’s the best way, but it’s reasonably understood as it’s a unique workplace. However, attacking a player on a personal level, or constantly making an example of one player for a personal reason? No place for that.

[Incogneto]

I have been playing with a conspiracy theory in my head all day...Probably from watching too much House of Cards and Succession:

- Flames players hate playing for Peters
- Agent for stars (probably Gaudreau, specifically) call Treliving to express his clients complaints about the coach.
- Treliving realizes that its time to move on from Peters, for the sake of the team
- Goes to Ownership to tell them that they cannot afford to spend an extra $2M for another 2 seasons, say either A) NO, or B) Find a way out.
- Treliving, knowing there is some history of issues, makes some phone calls to find some dirt on their coach to get out of the contract, and in turn uncovers a goldmine of evidence.
- Tre asks (??pays??) Aliu to come out with his knowledge.
- ....Everything takes off from there
- Flames get out of the Peters deal.

Again, this is 100% not what happened, but its fun to think about HOW this could have all happened.

[AC]

That doesn't seem fun at all.

[Samonadreau]

Doesnt sound that fun to me

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Incogneto

Carcillo is on a run on twitter...
https://twitter.com/CarBombBoom13

I don’t know how to embed:

Daniel Carcillo
@CarBombBoom13
Jeff Perry is still coaching young children and has not been held accountable by @HockeyCanada

He sexually, physically, emotionally & verbally abused minors as a head coach and is still able to teach your children hockey

The hockey community protects its abusers

LA Prairie
@SKLA_PRAIRIE
·
11h
Replying to
@CarBombBoom13 and @HockeyCanada
pretty big accusations there, what have you done about it?

Daniel Carcillo
@CarBombBoom13
·
11h
Filmed a piece for @CBCTheNational, held a town hall meeting in Sarnia for other minors who fell victim to Jeff’s abuse and continue to advocate for change for the hockey community on social

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

Really disappointing to hear the events of today. As a life long fan of the game I’m starting to really sour on the league from both an entertainment level to now this. Children idolize sport stars and to see grown men abuse their authority is sickening. There is no excuse for this kind of behaviour and ultimately should cost Peters his job. I would like to think that people in his position would respect their influence on the young and impressionable and strive to help them be better hockey players but also better people.

It’s become a sad state of affairs how this has played out. The Flames, in my opinion, have done a good job addressing this right away. I have a feeling that this is only the beginning as we see more evidence coming out about different coaches.

One thing that i recall on a day like today is the Vancouver 2010 Olympics and how the game united fans from coast to coast. Unlike 2010, this is a dark dark day for the sport. Very sad.

Theo fleury and Sheldon Kennedy would point out that coaches abusing their authority has a long history. This isn’t new and its too bad so many people are blind to the reality of greed and shameful behaviour in professional sports. Gary bettman still denies CTE because it will cost the owners money etc

[flamesforcup]

Originally Posted by Incogneto

I have been playing with a conspiracy theory in my head all day...Probably from watching too much House of Cards and Succession:

- Flames players hate playing for Peters
- Agent for stars (probably Gaudreau, specifically) call Treliving to express his clients complaints about the coach.
- Treliving realizes that its time to move on from Peters, for the sake of the team
- Goes to Ownership to tell them that they cannot afford to spend an extra $2M for another 2 seasons, say either A) NO, or B) Find a way out.
- Treliving, knowing there is some history of issues, makes some phone calls to find some dirt on their coach to get out of the contract, and in turn uncovers a goldmine of evidence.
- Tre asks (??pays??) Aliu to come out with his knowledge.
- ....Everything takes off from there
- Flames get out of the Peters deal.

Again, this is 100% not what happened, but its fun to think about HOW this could have all happened.

This wouldnt happen cause Treliving would get fired if he went to ownership and wanted to fire his 3rd coach. This incident is a get out of jail free card for him to get out from peters.

[GullFoss]

Did Akim Aliu overlap with any flames players in Calgary? Backlund and Giordano I think. So there are potential connections between him and players on the team.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Slanter

Since we're all just talking around in circles, waiting for the shoe to drop here's a thought I've been having:

Okay, a coach can't be racist, for sure. But a big thing being addressed in all sorts of corporate structures right now is bullies. People are losing their job, or being disciplined for being a bully.

Can an NHL coach be a bully? Isn't that sort of their job? Or is that an old fashioned way to get the most out of players now? Sounds like Babcock is a bully. Probably Peters too.

Discuss...

I don’t know if Peters is a racist, or just used a racist term to play his power game in the DR, as a bully. Either way it’s out of bounds. But to your point, surely there’s a line that can be drawn between legit discipline and demands on players and the mind games that some seem to be fond of.

[AC]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Did Akim Aliu overlap with any flames players in Calgary? Backlund and Giordano I think. So there are potential connections between him and players on the team.

Backlund, Brodie, and Giordano for current Flames.

Also Stajan, Sarich, and McGrattan for players still involved with the city/franchise in some capacity.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Did Akim Aliu overlap with any flames players in Calgary? Backlund and Giordano I think. So there are potential connections between him and players on the team.

Why do you wonder, are you trying to connect some dots?

I expect that Aliu’s career being over (no more risk) and the timing of and response to the Babcock story are what lowered his barriers to the point where he felt comfortable enough to speak

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by AC

Backlund, Brodie, and Giordano for current Flames.

Also Stajan, Sarich, and McGrattan for players still involved with the city/franchise in some capacity.

Do you think Akim just says "#### it, my time to skewer this guy is now. Time to tweet." Or do you think he wants to tweet, but reaches out to someone in the organization first and asks them it he has the greenlight to tell his story?

Or perhaps a bit differently, do you Akim holds back if the flames chemistry is perfect and team is first in the conference?. Not out of any love for Peters, but out of respect for the players playing under him?

I understand the why now is because of the whole "#metoo" thing happening in hockey last few days. But I wonder if a secondary reason is because Peters was the cancer in the dressing room.