TSN: 2 teammates independently corroborate Akim Aliu's allegations against Peters

[cupofjoe]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Allegedly

You are choosing an interesting hill to die on....

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Your sense of humour is dry.

Allegedly

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Allegedly

In the court of public opinion.

[nik-]

At least this has allowed us to think about something other than having one win in our last eight games.

This situation has been a real relief from what could have been some very dreary discussion.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Nm. I’m out

[GioforPM]

[jiginla12]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

In the court of public opinion.

Public opinion has nothing to do with this. Multiple players have come forward including two that have corroborated Akim Aliu's story. There is no more investigating, the waiting game being played right now is that the organization has to correctly execute the termination of an individual scheduled to make millions of dollars.

[afc wimbledon]

I suspect topfive is an adherent to Berkeley's theory of immaterialism

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Which applies to positions of celebrity status. Especially those in power positions over others. It’s part of the package.

No I wouldn’t agree if a 55 year old man was fired from his minimum wage job for using a similar slur 11 years ago in a different city.

IrishSpring2013 is a celebrity? Never heard of him before a couple days ago.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

I got it guys....

He's actually Bill Peters still in a hotel room, bored out of his mind, and trying to find ways out of this unscathed. Spoiler alert: he can't.

What if we're in the timeline where PEters doesn't get fired? And is actually a good coach?

[PepsiFree]

I just like the idea that if multiple people talk to the media, and the media reports it, it’s alleged.

But if those same multiple people talk to a hockey team who is almost wholly unrelated to the situation, outside of being the employer of the individual in question, then it’s official.

It’s kind of romantic to take all of your world news from hockey press conferences and releases. Narrow world view, sure, but a romantic narrow world view.

[nik-]

IrishSpring2013 is Kevin Spacey's CP account.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

IrishSpring2013 is a celebrity? Never heard of him before a couple days ago.

I clearly missed that change in topic.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

And you were told by a media outlet that other players have corroborated the story but weren't present yourself to hear those corroborations.

In this case the fans perspective is hearsay yes....... players who have confirmed they were in the room and heard the slur is not hearsay on their part.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It’s totally fair game to want to understand what Treliving knew of Peters’ reputation before hiring him. To me that doesn’t make Treliving in any way complicit with a racist.

What does anyone here think was common knowledge in hockey circles about Peters? Does anyone really think the public flagellation or Lack was atypical of how he behaved behind closed doors? He had a great explanation for the media on that one but the question simply is, how well did Treliving know the man he was hiring? And did he do enough work and/or prioritize the right qualities when hiring him?

As I said I’m not making any judgments of Treliving here. Other than I’m skeptical about his ability to hire the teams’ head coach simply based on who he has hired.

I think the disconnect is the assumption being made is if the Flames / Treliving knew about the type of coach Peter's is, the racism aside, that they wouldn't have hired him.

I'm going to guess, that the bullying that is being talked about now, or at least a fairly large % of it was known to the Flames when they hired him. I'm going to guess, it's also not unique to Peter's and is fairly common still in the NHL and hockey. We already know Babcock is in this boat, there was no shortage of Bob Hartley bully stories floating around (I smell chocolate) and we even have an image somewhere in here showing a current successful NHL coach punching a player in the helmet. I'm going to wager that his reputation was not anything the hockey world would find alarming (again only referring to the bullying) and was actually at least in part what BT was looking for when he hired a "hard nose coach" to replace the "players coach" this team totally shat the bed for.

I think it's also worth flagging, that Babcock was not fired because he was a bully, he was fired because he was losing, same with Bob Hartley when we let him go. If Peter's is let go later today or tomorrow it also won't be because he was a bully, it will be because they verified accounts of him being a racist.

Anyway, all this talk of did the BT or the Flames know is silly. If they knew about the racism...........then I'm very disappointed and others need to be held accountable also. As for the other stuff, I'd say it's safe to say the Flames new about at least some of his tactics.....tactics that have likely been quite acceptable for a long time in hockey.

Doesn't mean that we have to accept that moving forward, time for change, but I also don't think the Flames need to be drug to the mat for the decision to hire a hard nose coach, other than the fact that hiring one may not drive the on ice performance you'd like it to anymore in today's NHL.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I think the disconnect is the assumption being made is if the Flames / Treliving knew about the type of coach Peter's is, the racism aside, that they wouldn't have hired him.

I'm going to guess, that the bullying that is being talked about now, or at least a fairly large % of it was known to the Flames when they hired him. I'm going to guess, it's also not unique to Peter's and is fairly common still in the NHL and hockey. We already know Babcock is in this boat, there was no shortage of Bob Hartley bully stories floating around (I smell chocolate) and we even have an image somewhere in here showing a current successful NHL coach punching a player in the helmet. I'm going to wager that his reputation was not anything the hockey world would find alarming (again only referring to the bullying) and was actually at least in part what BT was looking for when he hired a "hard nose coach" to replace the "players coach" this team totally shat the bed for.

I think it's also worth flagging, that Babcock was not fired because he was a bully, he was fired because he was losing, same with Bob Hartley when we let him go. If Peter's is let go later today or tomorrow it also won't be because he was a bully, it will be because they verified accounts of him being a racist.

Anyway, all this talk of did the BT or the Flames know is silly. If they knew about the racism...........then I'm very disappointed and others need to be held accountable also. As for the other stuff, I'd say it's safe to say the Flames new about at least some of his tactics.....tactics that have likely been quite acceptable for a long time in hockey.

Doesn't mean that we have to accept that moving forward, time for change, but I also don't think the Flames need to be drug to the mat for the decision to hire a hard nose coach, other than the fact that hiring one may not drive the on ice performance you'd like it to anymore in today's NHL.

Of course, Babcock and Hartly's bullying may be why they started losing.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Of course, Babcock and Hartly's bullying may be why they started losing.

Completely agree, and was the point I was trying to make in my last sentence.

[EN FUEGO]

Wow, get too busy to refresh CP for a day and a lot can change quickly!

Has there been any Flames player reaction yet? Their level of play and the looks on their faces tomorrow night (if topfiverecords can find a way to approve the firing) will be pretty telling of their angle. I'd imagine they're pretty pumped that this dude is on the way out given all the rumors that have been fluttering around.

As crappy as this situation is, Aliu couldn't have picked a better time to shake the team up.

[bluejays]

I want to bring up Neal's departure again because I've been theorizing his departure was because of miscommunication with management. Surely he played badly last year, but the fact that he wasn't able to start fresh with management to start the season, and they got Lucic instead, says to me that there was a breakdown in communication all around. Now you see this year how many on the team haven't been playing up to par and you do wonder if it's him being old school and maybe Treliving not listening to the voice of the players. Has nothing to do with racism in this case, but just a bad people person.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by EN FUEGO

Wow, get too busy to refresh CP for a day and a lot can change quickly!

Has there been any Flames player reaction yet? Their level of play and the looks on their faces tomorrow night (if topfiverecords can find a way to approve the firing) will be pretty telling of their angle. I'd imagine they're pretty pumped that this dude is on the way out given all the rumors that have been fluttering around.

As crappy as this situation is, Aliu couldn't have picked a better time to shake the team up.

Both Lucic and Giordano answered questions after today's skate, which was by all accounts loose, high-tempo, and clearly enjoyed by the players.