Kevin Spacey raped men. You know, an illegal act. Now using the N word is equitable to a proven history of buggery? I think you've allowed your pendulum to swing a little to the extreme?
Again, I am against the use of the word, but an incident from a decade ago, while working for another team, in another league, makes this very different IMO. If he had said it while working for the Flames, nail him to a cross. But he hasn't displayed any of these negative behaviors while employed by the Flames. That's where I have troubles with this. I think he's a tool bag, but I can only judge him by what he's done while with the Flames.
It's more than that though. And we're suddenly well past the point of this being about one incident a decade ago.
At this point, you can best judge Peters by the likelihood he can keep the room, get the team moving forward again, and the chances of this blowing over without damaging the Flames brand.
Everything coming out now says the answer to all three questions is that it isn't likely.
There's no value in keeping him at this point. He's only a detriment.
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As I was saying earlier, watch out for the Flames they are gonna play some unreal hockey moving forward. The group is now gonna be very loose and relaxed.
Yup, I think they're going to go on a tear. They can play for each other and not a guy they don't support. I'm glad that this demoralized hockey may in fact not be in the team's DNA but a result of the environment around it.
Sorry to say but I think hockey has a major problem with coaches and players saying ####ty things on the ice and in the locker rooms.
This is up there with the worst things I’ve heard. But it’s not an isolated incident. Other sports are likely guilty but there’s something about hockey that bugs me. Stopping referring to players as #####’s, bitches or using homophobic slurs. Stop using race to verbally intimidate or degrade.
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Multiple sources also confirmed to #TSN the other physical altercation alleged in Jordan's tweet: Peters also struck a #Canes defenceman in the head on the bench during a game.
To this point, that #Canes player has wished to remain anonymous. It's his story to tell, until then.
This is specifically the story I heard. I know the D-man who it was. ...and was told this story in January.
This whole deal with Babcock and Peters thing made me think. As much of a hardass and task master as Bill Belichik is I don't remember hearing stories like this come out about him. I think you can be that no nonsense, all business kind of coach without being hateful.
I think the biggest difference is Belichuk will just cut you or replace you without saying a word if he doesnt like you. Something that you can't do in pro hockey with how contracts are designed.
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It's more than that though. And we're suddenly well past the point of this being about one incident a decade ago.
At this point, you can best judge Peters by the likelihood he can keep the room, get the team moving forward again, and the chances of this blowing over without damaging the Flames brand.
Everything coming out now says the answer to all three questions is that it isn't likely.
There's no value in keeping him at this point. He's only a detriment.
Oh, I agree. I think he's toast. My only issue is how long ago this took place and the fact it was with another team, and in another league. I look forward to the announcement of his departure, but I still think the way it is going to happen is sketchy. I mean, how long until the LA Kings start using this as an active measure and justification to abandon contracts that hurt their cap situation?
Kevin Spacey raped men. You know, an illegal act. Now using the N word is equitable to a proven history of buggery? I think you've allowed your pendulum to swing a little to the extreme?
Again, I am against the use of the word, but an incident from a decade ago, while working for another team, in another league, makes this very different IMO. If he had said it while working for the Flames, nail him to a cross. But he hasn't displayed any of these negative behaviors while employed by the Flames. That's where I have troubles with this. I think he's a tool bag, but I can only judge him by what he's done while with the Flames.
2 points, having a proven history of buggery isn't a crime or illegal or offensive in any way shape or form and has nothing to do with the allegations against Spacey, I have a proven history of intercourse with women, doesn't mean I'm a rapist.
Secondly it is clear by now Peters is guilty of what he has been accused of, if he had confirmed and apologised publicly maybe he gets some benefit of changing times etc, but he hasn't so far, you cant be forgiven if you don't confess.
Considering the circumstances, I don’t see how the team can continue under Peters. Even if they don’t fire him right away, there’s no way he should remain behind the bench.
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Well his firing has to be inevitable now. Look at all the former players piling on. What a crap show.
Does it bother anyone that BT didn't know about the real Bill Peters and made him head coach?
Or he knew who this guy was and hired him anyway?
I think BT is done.
That is an interesting angle as well. Treliving acknowledges that this was a targeted hiring, that the team went after Peters. This was Trelving's pick and he supposedly knew the man quite well. If you're going to sack one because of his comment from a decade ago, then you better sack the guy who went out and actively hand picked him for the coaching role. Interesting way to clean house.
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This whole deal with Babcock and Peters thing made me think. As much of a hardass and task master as Bill Belichik is I don't remember hearing stories like this come out about him. I think you can be that no nonsense, all business kind of coach without being hateful.
Couldn’t agree more. And there are guys in hockey like that as well. I’d be willing to bet Torts is on that list. Hardline, brutally direct, but I’d be willing to bet none of this racist or physically abusive BS would apply.
I’d love for the Flames to take a look once Columbus cans him after this season.
This whole deal with Babcock and Peters thing made me think. As much of a hardass and task master as Bill Belichik is I don't remember hearing stories like this come out about him. I think you can be that no nonsense, all business kind of coach without being hateful.
Not saying you haven't heard these types of stories about Belichik simply because they don't exist (the bullying type of things I mean), but also.......people tolerate a lot when you win.
Even if you experience things like what's being spoken about in the locker room on the bullying side but it ends with championship rings, you likely start to take on a whole other perspective of whether the pain you endured was worth it.
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Multiple sources also confirmed to #TSN the other physical altercation alleged in Jordan's tweet: Peters also struck a #Canes defenceman in the head on the bench during a game.
To this point, that #Canes player has wished to remain anonymous. It's his story to tell, until then.
well, that pretty much is the nail in the coffin...
after reading all the former players comment though, it makes you wonder how on earth did BT and the Flames organization drop the ball this badly on the hire...?
