What “save the season” trade would you like?

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

It means they are the worst at scoring goals, the most important thing, in the league.

Not quite true.

What IS true is scoring more goals than your opposition in any given night.

In the last few 0-5, 0-6 and 0-3 games the 4, 5 and 2 extra goals are not relevant, nor do they make you "better". They're just running up the score.

But what IS important in this league is actually scoring at least one goal. Without that, you cannot possibly win. (Well, OK a 0-0 game decided in a shootout....)

Having said that, this year's edition of the Flames appears to be bad at scoring goals so far.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Not quite true.

What IS true is scoring more goals than your opposition in any given night.

In the last few 0-5, 0-6 and 0-3 games the 4, 5 and 2 extra goals are not relevant, nor do they make you "better". They're just running up the score.

But what IS important in this league is actually scoring at least one goal. Without that, you cannot possibly win. (Well, OK a 0-0 game decided in a shootout....)

Having said that, this year's edition of the Flames appears to be bad at scoring goals so far.

Fun fact. I am pretty sure Kipper was the first goalie to get a shutout and lose a game.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It took the Oilers over a decade of high picks and 4 lottery wins to get two good players. And they still aren't a good team. There are no guarantees

This is the worst logic. Of course there are no guarantees but statistically speaking the easiest way to land a superstar by far is at the top of draft.

I cant see the Flames going scorched earth though so doesn't really matter but let's say they did. They are so loaded with talent right now you could suck for 2 years, get a few top picks and have a boat load of your prospects through trade. I'd find that way more exciting than being a mediocre team for a few more years until we inevitably lose guys to free agency and cap hits go up and have to consider rebuilding then with way less assets. There's no perfect way buy if I had a vote I'd go for a major overhaul and cash in on our abundance of assets so we have a crazy influx of young talent all at once.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

Always the same 4-5 bootlickers going round and round.

Or ...

"Always the same 4-5 people that disagree with me but that's ok I'll just insult them and their opinions and everything will be ok"

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

Na, most of those are value deals. Hanifin definitely isn’t, fair market if you’re being optimistic.

That said, it’s very funny to me that he points to us having a good regular season last year and then getting absolutely caved in the playoffs as an example of this being a winning team. Some of you are so impressed with mediocrity it makes me cringe. Have the cheerleaders here ever actually cheered for a good team in any sport?

Nope.

I've said on many occasions that I'm actually glad this team is struggling as I didn't want that face plant swept under the carpet. Now they're being forced to deal with it.

The regular season record wasn't a mirage, the team was rolling for 3/4 of last season and had the stats to suggest it wasn't a shooting percentage bender or a goaltender carrying them.

It's possible to have both. A great team that went south. The question is why? Can it be fixed? And how?

But nice insult again. Can you make a point without belittling people?

[Badgers Nose]

I think the face plant is coaching related. No adjustments (or poor ones) once the plan that worked 3/4 of season stopped worked.

Imo the quickest way to save the season is to fire Peters. Let one of the assistants take over and see if a coach change boost is enough to see Flames into the playoffs.

If not, fire BT when the Flames are out and let new GM hire coaches and revamp the roster.

Hopefully Flames spend money in the front office and coaches because going cheap always seems to cost them more in the long run (severance if nothing else).

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Nope.

I've said on many occasions that I'm actually glad this team is struggling as I didn't want that face plant swept under the carpet. Now they're being forced to deal with it.

The regular season record wasn't a mirage, the team was rolling for 3/4 of last season and had the stats to suggest it wasn't a shooting percentage bender or a goaltender carrying them.

It's possible to have both. A great team that went south. The question is why? Can it be fixed? And how?

But nice insult again. Can you make a point without belittling people?

By calling you a cheerleader? You are the definition of a cheerleading fan, sorry if you are insulted. Everything I’ve ever read from you is always in defense of the team and it’s management. I will absolutely call that out whenever I see it.

Or is it for saying you always seem so impressed by mediocrity? Because you 100% do.

[Squirrel]

Trade Johnny now for whatever you can get. I think it will be an "addition by subtraction" situation like when Hall left the Oilers.
IMO the team will never improve with JG as a key piece.
Entertaining regular season performer but back when Hartley had to keep him on the bench in that playoff game against the Ducks it showed me all that I needed to know.
Need to start building a tougher team and get rid of the whining to the refs act I think has been hurting the Flames for the past few seasons.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

By calling you a cheerleader? You are the definition of a cheerleading fan, sorry if you are insulted. Everything I’ve ever read from you is always in defense of the team and it’s management. I will absolutely call that out whenever I see it.

Or is it for saying you always seem so impressed by mediocrity? Because you 100% do.

I'm certainly more positive than you. I'm just not the guy that has to assume everything is wrong when some things are wrong.

But yeah calling someone a cheerleader is an insult. You're categorizing another person's opinion and therefore degrading it.

I say lots of negative things. I wanted Hartley gone, I wanted Feaster gone. I almost got lynched for wanting deep dive on Gulutzan and why some of his numbers were good and some bad, but was fine with his exit.

Heck this week I've been talking about changing the core, but wait until the off season. A cheer leaders as you subscribe would defend all the players and not want change no?

I have players I'm not a fan of, others that I will defend if the hack on them goes too far in my opinion.

But really ... you're just not in the position to decide cheer-leading, nor tell me what I'm impressed with. You own your own opinion and I respect that, but that's it man. The rest is just a guy that wants to belittle others in making his point. Not a good look.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I think the face plant is coaching related. No adjustments (or poor ones) once the plan that worked 3/4 of season stopped worked.

Imo the quickest way to save the season is to fire Peters. Let one of the assistants take over and see if a coach change boost is enough to see Flames into the playoffs.

If not, fire BT when the Flames are out and let new GM hire coaches and revamp the roster.

Hopefully Flames spend money in the front office and coaches because going cheap always seems to cost them more in the long run (severance if nothing else).

If you don't like tactics then you get rid of the coach.

My issue though is the tactics weren't changed and or not adjusted to so much as the team went into a mental spin where they played on their heels. Nobody coaches that.

I think it's a core player mental toughness issue that has to be resolved in the off season more than a coaching problem.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If you don't like tactics then you get rid of the coach.

My issue though is the tactics weren't changed and or not adjusted to so much as the team went into a mental spin where they played on their heels. Nobody coaches that.

I think it's a core player mental toughness issue that has to be resolved in the off season more than a coaching problem.

It's easy to coach when all your players are feeling it and players are all having career stretches as it did for three months last season. The test of a coach's mettle is if he can push the right buttons when things aren't going good as happens over an 82 game season for almost every team. Peters really hasn't shown he's been able to adjust. This is maybe the worst stretch of Flames hockey in over a decade and Peters looks like a man with no answers. If the strategy is to just let the players figure it out themselves then I would argue you have a coaching problem.

[Flash Walken]

I mean, it's probably not even close to the worst stretch in the last 10 years.

It's probably just the mix of expectations vs performance.

The flames lost 10 in a row 4 years ago, didn't they? That was pretty bad.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I mean, it's probably not even close to the worst stretch in the last 10 years.

It's probably just the mix of expectations vs performance.

The flames lost 10 in a row 4 years ago, didn't they? That was pretty bad.

Dude there are losing streaks where you have some close losses and bad bounces and then there's losing streaks where you are breaking futility records for not scoring. This has been ugly. When's the last time the team had a lead or was tied halfway into a game? I can't remember a less competitive team.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Dude there are losing streaks where you have some close losses and bad bounces and then there's losing streaks where you are breaking futility records for not scoring. This has been ugly. When's the last time the team had a lead or was tied halfway into a game? I can't remember a less competitive team.

Upon reflection you might be right.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Upon reflection you might be right.

Six hours without a lead of any sort. Six hours of hockey! This is nuts.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Dude there are losing streaks where you have some close losses and bad bounces and then there's losing streaks where you are breaking futility records for not scoring. This has been ugly. When's the last time the team had a lead or was tied halfway into a game? I can't remember a less competitive team.

Mediocrity is probably the most defining trait of this franchise, but I remember a lot of futility in franchise history too. The thing with this group is that they showed last year what they can play like, and unlike much of the last 30 years this is not a bunch of workmanlike players just struggling to keep up with competition while playing their best. That makes their results more disappointing.

[Flash Walken]

Mediocre would be an improvement.

More than half the teams in the league make the playoffs. A mediocre team would make the playoffs more than half the time.

The flames....not so much. 3 playoff appearances in the last 10 years. 8 appearances on the last 20 years. 14 in the last 30.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Mediocre would be an improvement.

More than half the teams in the league make the playoffs. A mediocre team would make the playoffs more than half the time.

The flames....not so much. 3 playoff appearances in the last 10 years. 8 appearances on the last 20 years. 14 in the last 30.

So, mediocre does apply to the franchise as stated? Never mind I see you say more than half the time.

[Strange Brew]

Some of those playoff appearances were in a 21 team league.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's easy to coach when all your players are feeling it and players are all having career stretches as it did for three months last season. The test of a coach's mettle is if he can push the right buttons when things aren't going good as happens over an 82 game season for almost every team. Peters really hasn't shown he's been able to adjust. This is maybe the worst stretch of Flames hockey in over a decade and Peters looks like a man with no answers. If the strategy is to just let the players figure it out themselves then I would argue you have a coaching problem.

Absolutely ... but when the core has gone through a few coaches that can't seem to push the buttons you have to start wondering if the button is stuck or not working right?