What “save the season” trade would you like?

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

The Flames are 2 games under .500

In November.

Calm down, I honestly think you guys were just spoiled by an amazing regular season last year..

2 games under 0.500 is a terrible record. In the current point system, a 0.500 team has 82 points, which is 10-15 points out of the playoffs

[devo22]

not sure there's a "save the season" trade out there that helps beyond this season as well, and that should certainly be the target in any potential deal. I don't see how they could blow up that room right now and be better for it, as the value of players like Gaudreau and Monahan must be shot right now. Have to try to ride out this season somehow and make changes in the summer.

Trade upcoming UFAs like Hamonic, Brodie and Frolik for the best futures you can get, otherwise don't make any knee-jerk moves that might hurt us in the long run.

[TheIronMaiden]

a serious question. Has there ever been an example where a season is saved by a single trade?

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

a serious question. Has there ever been an example where a season is saved by a single trade?

[CliffFletcher]

This coach-killing core needs an overhaul. But mid-season isn't the time to do it. Too few teams are able to swing big deals when everyone is tight against the cap.

Ride this season out, sell what assets we can, and retool in the off-season.

[goflamesgo18]

Gaudreau to Detroit for Mantha + a first

Possibility of having 2 lottery picks plus Mantha

Dont think Detroit does it though

[Johnhitbox]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

Hahah has that made my day


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[Lanny_McDonald]

Pragmatically... there is no trade to save the season. This is the team that Trelving built and the team we will have to ride out. Once the season is over we can worry about retooling the roster, but until then we are stuck with the mess that Treliving has hoisted upon us. We cannot allow Treliving a chance to make any more moves and handcuff the organization any further. What the team could do, is pull a move from their past playbook and bring in an experienced hockey guy to be an adviser. Remove most functions from Treliving's planning responsibilities and prepare to send him to chopping block come the end of the season if this continues to be a debacle. Have that individual do a complete analysis of the assets in the system and develop a plan on how to quickly retool. We need someone who knows how to pick the right players for the game and the right coaches to get the most out of them. The next series of personnel decisions are going to determine whether this year is a blip, or the beginning of another rebuild.

[Vinny01]

The only team desperate enough to go with a cant refuse trade for Johnny is Buffalo in my opinion. They have been in the full tank for over 5 years and have a superstar center they can pair him with. They have shown flashes of being a good team but always fall back.

An offer of Reinhart, Ristolinen, Middelstat, Cozens, 1st for Gaudreau and Jankowski would be too good to pass up. That would be all the top 10 picks Buffalo has had since they started sucking outside of Eichel and Dahlen (and Nylander).

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

There was nothing stopping the flames from trading Bennett at any point in the last 5 years except for their own inability to critically analyze talent.

The inability to properly assess talent is what this entire house of cards is built on, whether it be backlund, Bennett, brouwer, neal, stone, Lazar, lucic, etc.

Asking the architect that couldn't see the forest for the trees to dismantle and then reassemble this is that insanity cliche about doing something over and over.

Blaming the Bennett pick for being the difference maker here, like the flames were just along for the ride, is completely absolving a flawed team building philosophy that's failed to identify talent through the lineup.

A 'season saving trade' is exactly that kind of failed philosophy in action.

Make decisions with the long term health of the organization in mind and let the short term success happen and accumulate as a result.

And this is the thing, the man behind the curtain so to speak is Button. His team is the real architects and they have never been questioned. The Gm is a Manager who signs off on the information given to him by the scouting team. He gives his specifications they come back to him with their best evaluations for trades and picks. It's been the same guys for 20 years. How are they not getting any blame for Sutter's, Feaster's and Brads mediocrity? The GM picks the best options with the data given to him by them. They were there for the Dion trade, the Brouwer signing, etc. They had to have evaluated and signed off on the players before giving it to the GM. Maybe they are just mediocre evaluator's considering the information they have given to the Flames GM's hasn't amounted to any sustained successful teams. Its the same guys every management cycle feeding the data to the GM. When we get a new GM we expect different results when the under lying architects are the same.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

No kidding.

If you were going to initiate a rebuild, you needed tkachuk signed for term.

Now if you want to do it properly you probably have to deal him as well.

This is what's happens when there is no real plan.

And you know there's no real plan?

Treliving doesn't have a plan? A guy led by the word process that is methodical and structured.

He's always had a plan, but team building is art not a science, and you have to change the plan once and a while when things don't work out as your plan dictated.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by New Era

Pragmatically... there is no trade to save the season. This is the team that Trelving built and the team we will have to ride out. Once the season is over we can worry about retooling the roster, but until then we are stuck with the mess that Treliving has hoisted upon us. We cannot allow Treliving a chance to make any more moves and handcuff the organization any further. What the team could do, is pull a move from their past playbook and bring in an experienced hockey guy to be an adviser. Remove most functions from Treliving's planning responsibilities and prepare to send him to chopping block come the end of the season if this continues to be a debacle. Have that individual do a complete analysis of the assets in the system and develop a plan on how to quickly retool. We need someone who knows how to pick the right players for the game and the right coaches to get the most out of them. The next series of personnel decisions are going to determine whether this year is a blip, or the beginning of another rebuild.

Wow ...

the ownership group extended the guy three months ago, so they're a) not going to send him to the wood shed, and b) must have believed in his plan and the team he built or they wouldn't have done it.

It's his team to retool in my mind, and that's a good thing. The team finished 2nd overall last year and then got mentally shunted in the playoffs. A change is needed and he likely recognizes that too and will be the guy making said changes.

[Toonage]

The plan was clearly to win with this group. Thus Tkachuk being fit into the salary structure and no pieces being moved. Or am I out to lunch?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Toonage

The plan was clearly to win with this group. Thus Tkachuk being fit into the salary structure and no pieces being moved. Or am I out to lunch?

Yes and no.

The Zucker and Kadri almost deals certainly suggest he wanted to change things.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And you know there's no real plan?

Treliving doesn't have a plan? A guy led by the word process that is methodical and structured.

He's always had a plan, but team building is art not a science, and you have to change the plan once and a while when things don't work out as your plan dictated.

If there's a plan, it's not a good one.

Look at the state of the organization 6 years into his tenure. Not rebuilding anymore, not winning, no one on budget deals, no tradeable assets that aren't crippling.

The flames were the best team in the west on deadline day and walked away with Fantenberg. Now it looks like they are going to sell their best player before they fire the coach.

You compared the flames situation to the lightning in another thread and the two couldn't be further apart in where they are at as organizations.

Is the plan really to bridge Tkachuk and then initiate a rebuild so that he walks away at the end of his contract term?

None of this has the hallmark of a plan. It's all slapped together and it shows.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

The Flames are 2 games under .500

In November.

Calm down, I honestly think you guys were just spoiled by an amazing regular season last year..

There are only two teams in the NHL which are more than 2 games below .500.

Because of 3 point games, .500 teams are exceedingly below average.

The Flames -16 in goal differential suggests they have a long way to go to respectability.

[CliffFletcher]

If the Flames do get serious about re-tooling, I could see a Gaudreau deal with the Sabres involving Cozens as a centrepiece. A RHS 6'3" centre with skill and a two-way game is exactly what this team needs.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If there's a plan, it's not a good one.

Look at the state of the organization 6 years into his tenure. Not rebuilding anymore, not winning, no one on budget deals, no tradeable assets that aren't crippling.

The flames were the best team in the west on deadline day and walked away with Fantenberg. Now it looks like they are going to sell their best player before they fire the coach.

You compared the flames situation to the lightning in another thread and the two couldn't be further apart in where they are at as organizations.

Is the plan really to bridge Tkachuk and then initiate a rebuild so that he walks away at the end of his contract term?

None of this has the hallmark of a plan. It's all slapped together and it shows.

Not winning ... finished 2nd overall last year

No one on budget deals .... Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm, Hanifin

No tradeable assets ... huh?

Sell their best player ... according to who? All we are hearing is that they're not

Your love of misery is astounding.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If the Flames do get serious about re-tooling, I could see a Gaudreau deal with the Sabres involving Cozens as a centrepiece. A RHS 6'3" centre with skill and a two-way game is exactly what this team needs.

I can’t help but think they are the best trade partner in any Gaudreau deal now or in the summer. Having said that a lot can happen between now and the summer

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If the Flames do get serious about re-tooling, I could see a Gaudreau deal with the Sabres involving Cozens as a centrepiece. A RHS 6'3" centre with skill and a two-way game is exactly what this team needs.

The Flames aren't trading Gaudreau for a guy not even in the league yet