What is Bill Peters?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I never understood why Peters was hired in the first place. Look back at the CP posts then. Nobody did.

I realize there are valid reasons to not have liked the deal, but I really don't care how fans react. I don't know why looking back at CP posts would be meaningful at all.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I realize there are valid reasons to not have liked the deal, but I really don't care how fans react. I don't know why looking back at CP posts would be meaningful at all.

Because people like perspective? What an odd post.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I realize there are valid reasons to not have liked the deal, but I really don't care how fans react. I don't know why looking back at CP posts would be meaningful at all.

Why expend so much effort on the site then?

[locsofblu]

The problem is not the coach. We would not be having this conversation if we had a First line instead of a liability line out there.

[BigBrodieFan]

Originally Posted by bax

I don't think it's fair to blame this team's struggles on BP. They are getting ravished by terrible ES shooting percentages and are bound to regress back to the norm.

On top of that, take a look at this roster. it is far from perfect.

Backlund and Frolik are not good enough offensively to be second line players.

Monahan is very valuable, however he is not an elite number 1 center. He needs to be better defensively.

Gaudreau, while extremely skilled tends to fade into the background as games get tighter.

Valimaki has been injured all season.

To Treliving's credit he has attempted to get pieces for this team (Kadri, Zucker, Stone) but they haven't worked out.

I respectively disagree with you on not blaming Peters on this team’s decline. He has not had control of this team since the All Star break. The players look unmotivated and they have no leadership. Peters is directly responsible for maintaining effective leadership when it comes to coaches and players. He’s been ineffective with both for far too long. Leadership is the main thing any ‘coach’ is responsible for. It’s what he’s paid to do. In a nutshell, Peters is an ineffective leader and he’s been that way for a long time. Sh$t trickles down hill.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by locsofblu

The problem is not the coach. We would not be having this conversation if we had a First line instead of a liability line out there.

You don’t know it’s not the coach. No one does.

Can a coach lose the room? Yep.

Frolik who is basically a very consistent 0.5 points per game guy, even last year, and is in and out of the lineup. Bennett gets 6 minutes opportunity on the top line then not a sniff. That’s his reward for being the only forward who showed up in the playoffs and was point per game. These are both well liked guys.

What happened post all star break last year?
Why did the team have no answer and no apparent adjustment for the Avs?

Where is Peters explanation about what the team is actually trying to do?
What’s the identity?
Does he actually understand what worked last year when the team was playing well, and how to get back to it?

He got mediocre results in Carolina, blamed on the roster.
Turned Eric Staal from an all star in to an average player.

He had 4 good months here. Who is to say that was not the anomaly?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Why expend so much effort on the site then?

Because there are a pile of good thoughts and exchanges between fans.
But if you are asking if I pay attention to how fans react when it comes to evaluating a coaching hire? No I do not.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I never understood why Peters was hired in the first place. Look back at the CP posts then. Nobody did.

His track record in Carolina was terrible (see Flash's chart) and its no secret he was disliked by the players.

I am willing to give him this road trip. If we come back under .500 show him the door.

Appealing to fans as an authority on coaches is laughable.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Appealing to fans as an authority on coaches is laughable.

There are many thoughtful people on this site that can look at available data and question the wisdom of a decision made in light of that data.

Neglecting that people can form opinions based in part on available data, as well as the fact that some of those opinions may turn out to have merit, is laughable.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

There are many thoughtful people on this site that can look at available data and question the wisdom of a decision made in light of that data.

Neglecting that people can form opinions based in part on available data, as well as the fact that some of those opinions may turn out to have merit, is laughable.

Coaching is about tactics, strategy and philosophy. But it’s also about psychology, motivation, personalities. Unless you’re talking to the coach, talking to former players, you aren’t getting the information needed on the latter areas.

There just isn’t the data available to fans for us to even begin to have a mildly informed discussion on the merits of coaches. We as fans are very much in the dark.

To be frank our analysis of coaches is uninformed drivel worth nothing at all. Evaluating coaching properly, evaluating how players are in the dressing room, these just aren’t things a normal fan is informed about.

[Vinny01]

I see Pike put up a piece about Treliving and Peters likely being a package deal on FN and if Peters is fired Treliving likely goes with him.

I am not convinced that is the case but I also don’t see any chance that Peters is fired this season

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Coaching is about tactics, strategy and philosophy. But it’s also about psychology, motivation, personalities. Unless you’re talking to the coach, talking to former players, you aren’t getting the information needed on the latter areas.

There just isn’t the data available to fans for us to even begin to have a mildly informed discussion on the merits of coaches. We as fans are very much in the dark.

To be frank our analysis of coaches is uninformed drivel worth nothing at all. Evaluating coaching properly, evaluating how players are in the dressing room, these just aren’t things a normal fan is informed about.

100% agreed.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Coaching is about tactics, strategy and philosophy. But it’s also about psychology, motivation, personalities. Unless you’re talking to the coach, talking to former players, you aren’t getting the information needed on the latter areas.

There just isn’t the data available to fans for us to even begin to have a mildly informed discussion on the merits of coaches. We as fans are very much in the dark.

To be frank our analysis of coaches is uninformed drivel worth nothing at all. Evaluating coaching properly, evaluating how players are in the dressing room, these just aren’t things a normal fan is informed about.

True, although the healthy distrust our fanbase has towards our organization is well founded, so I definitely understand the hyper-critical eye.

We just don’t have a history of making good decisions. That’s true when it comes to coaches, general managers, and players.

Treliving clearly has a philosophy he’s building the team with, and he has a brand of hockey that he believes in. Peters and Gulutzan both coach pretty similar brands (as do others in the league), but Gully couldn’t get the team to execute that brand of hockey at all, ever - whereas Peters got his team to execute it at a high level for 60 or so out of the 87 games played last season. That’s pretty good.

What we’ve seen this year is Peters unable to get the players to execute at the same level they did for those 60 or so games. Is that on Peters? The players? The holes in the roster?

It’s on all of them. Treliving is the one at the top though, and as he’s said pretty openly - he needs to be better. The difficulty he has experienced on the trade market for the last 16 months to me shows that this team needs to continue to draft some high 1st rounders, because I think Tree is a great trader, but he hasn’t been able to address the issues that still exist on the roster. We know he has tried/is likely still trying to, but so far it seems impossible - making the draft the only path forward.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Coaching is about tactics, strategy and philosophy. But it’s also about psychology, motivation, personalities. Unless you’re talking to the coach, talking to former players, you aren’t getting the information needed on the latter areas.

There just isn’t the data available to fans for us to even begin to have a mildly informed discussion on the merits of coaches. We as fans are very much in the dark.

To be frank our analysis of coaches is uninformed drivel worth nothing at all. Evaluating coaching properly, evaluating how players are in the dressing room, these just aren’t things a normal fan is informed about.

Fans see the product on the ice. We see systems, player deployment and players body language/effort level. We also see player interviews.

Fans definitely don't have all the information here, but to say fan opinions are based on absolutley nothing is not correct.

There is some value in having people outside an organization analyze how it appears to function. Specifically because they are not emotionally attached or biased to the way the organization is currently run.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Fans see the product on the ice. We see systems, player deployment and players body language/effort level. We also see player interviews.

Fans definitely don't have all the information here, but to say fan opinions are based on absolutley nothing is not correct.

There is some value in having people outside an organization analyze how it appears to function. Specifically because they are not emotionally attached or biased to the way the organization is currently run.

Sure, I agree with most of that.

But this conversation started about talking about fan reactions to a coach hiring. So a coach we had not watched much of. We hadn’t seen much of Peters system before he got here. We hadn’t seen much of the Carolina player deployment and body language.

So basically we as fans were nearly completely uniformed about Bill Peters when he was hired. We tried to educate ourselves after the fact but pretending like fan opinion on the coaching hire meant anything at all is a joke.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I am not sure what your point is

People have initial opinions based on some, but not all, available information. Then a couple of years unfold and they can see how their opinion held up over time.

“Meant anything”? It’s an internet message board, on the topic of sports. Very little “means anything”.

You can go ahead and dismiss everyone with a classic appeal to authority. Not sure how that helps constructive dialogue.

[Johnhitbox]

Here’s the deal. I don’t want anyone fired. What I want is some explanation from management on why the team has shown no improvement since February, and why nothing to this point has been done about it. 10 months is more than enough time to get a feel for the problem.


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[Manhattanboy]

When the team returns from this road trip the former coach of the Flames.

[Strange Brew]

There's a lot of things we don't know as fans, but its not hard to figure out which people are in demand for coaching jobs. There was only one GM who would have hired Hartley and that was Feaster. Gulutzan was on the assistant coach track and then really caught a break when Treliving hired him. Hard to see him being a head coach again but he is still young so not impossible I guess.

Peters actually could have been coveted by other teams but if he were to lose this job at the end of a bad season, I don't imagine he'd be an NHL head coach again.

You can draw your own conclusions about what any of that means.

[BigBrodieFan]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Fans see the product on the ice. We see systems, player deployment and players body language/effort level. We also see player interviews.

Fans definitely don't have all the information here, but to say fan opinions are based on absolutley nothing is not correct.

There is some value in having people outside an organization analyze how it appears to function. Specifically because they are not emotionally attached or biased to the way the organization is currently run.

Exactly.

Without fans, there is no team, ergo no coach.

Fan opinions matter a hell of a lot more than people think. Good will with the fans is the most a player can hope for.