[Rumour] TSN: Peters status. Shake up trade. Hamonic's future

[kukkudo]

If you fire Peters who do you bring in? The market is dry

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

If you fire Peters who do you bring in? The market is dry

Willie Desjardins as interim Head Coach for just one year to go for that high draft pick.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

If you fire Peters who do you bring in? The market is dry

AHL coach in Stockton (Cail MacLean) is having a great year. If Peters goes, and there isn't anyone in their price range available (ha) then he likely gets the nod.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Willie Desjardins as interim Head Coach for just one year to go for that high draft pick.

If the team wants to tank for a high pick, you might as well stick with peters... that's the way they are headed.

Another reason you don't fire a coach after one year is it shows a level of management ineptitude that would be off putting for any good coach... especially after one year and a good first year at that.

barring some morality crisis between the coaches and players, there's no legitimate reason for players to have quit after one year...

beyond ridiculous

[Harry Lime]

If Gio is out of position quite a lot, where that has never been the case for his whole career, that screams a system change that's not working.

It is up to the coach to make adjustments and not be stubborn if those adjustments arnt the right ones.

I don't know if it's an ego thing on the players for not buying in, or an ego thing on the coach for not accepting that he could be wrong and moving on.

[rooster]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

If you fire Peters who do you bring in? The market is dry

Daryl Sutter.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

So the players didn’t like Hartley and now they don’t like Peters? I think I sense a trend and it isn’t a coaching issue.

In fairness, the list of players all time that did like Hartley can probably be counted on ones fingers and toes.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by browna

To decifer: Likely some agents grumbling about Peters to McKenzie about the way their clients are supposedly being treated. That’s where McKenzie gets his info. Fair enough.

Dreger though is piggybacking off of McKenzie timing wise, as he has his whole career, and trying to spin his click bait opinion into fact...and likely had to check to see if Hamonic was a UFA this July 1 before he made his comment and dramatized his words into something that just is pure garbage. Classic Dreger to whip up something that isn’t there and have suckers misconstrue it.

His value to TSN is he knows someone at the league office that can tip him to trade calls or transactions before anyone else. Exhibit 1a, see the Jokinen to Flames years back.

As a result, very few respected agents or managers trust him with anything info wise, as he’ll sell those guys out as quick as he can to get a scoop...so for his insider Bs, not unlike Eklund he has to create something out of nothing, and hope people bite, to keep him relevant most of the time.

So nothing new or ground breaking here for any team that’s in a 5 g slump. Leafs are having the same. The Kadri trade is being reexamined in Toronto, Babcock is getting questioned for the first time etc.

This post just nails it on Darren Dreklund. 100% truth bomb. The guy is an outsider.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Monahan to me is playing well this year - just not getting rewarded.
It will come for him.

My view too.

Harder to play against, seeing the ice better, face off % up, ... just isn't finishing which is the last of my concerns about him.

[Roof-Daddy]

Good lord don't do any stupid shake up trades that will be regretted.

Jettison some dead weight if you can, but please no panic moves.

If the team can't turn it around, sell at the deadline, load up on picks, grab an elite prospect at the draft, evaluate the core and if some of the core needs to be changed out do it in the off season when more teams have more flexibility.

[Dr. Doom]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

There was a time this team played for the coach, we saw the relentless comebacks, winning battles to pucks, the whole team played for each other, then one day they stopped, the smiles and effort went away.

There is a reason the "whole team" has quit on the coach. Something must have happened; We saw this last season and even in the playoffs, the team just had no will, or desire to move forward. I think consistency is important especially when coaching is concerned but if the coaches have lost the entire room trading for new players won't make any difference. I recall Backlund when interviewed a few years ago talking about coaching consistency, yet even he doesn't seem to be giving much of an effort.

We can talk about 2, or 3 players but it is obviously more than that, it is the whole team. That is concerning.

I think the answers lie somewhere in here.

I can't help but think that winning the West and then getting owned by Colorado had a negative impact on the entire team.

Nobody had answers then and because no significant changes were made to the roster or coaching or by the looks of it even on-ice style, my thinking is they've lost the will and drive to turn on the Jets. Add on that frustration of some of these guys and you have a colossal ship to turn around...

It's like we've become stale and nobody has the answer. I don't even see anyone on here with much reasonable suggestions lol.

I'm not blaming anyone in particular because the whole team from GM down plays a part.

You just have to hope they collectively make it out of this. Increases the value of a few guys to deal them in that case as well.

[Stanley]

That's sarcasm btw...a dig at all the stupid comments I read on FB about it.

[VladtheImpaler]

They look a lot like Tottenham in the EPL this season. I guess we need a dose of Mourinho.

[Stanley]

Wonder if there's any truth to any of the Leafs/Flames trade rumours?

[VladtheImpaler]

The Leafs are going to fire Babcock when they return from their trip, so I am not sure that they will trade before then.

[the-rasta-masta]

I think they might be turning it around. I saw some glimpses of effort and drive last night, and soon some puck luck will follow. You know that feeling when you are on a winning streak and you see the team start to not play as well, but yet they are still on the streak. You know it's coming to and end? That's what I see with this rough patch. I think we're going to come out of it.

Give the team another 5-10 games here. Don't trade any core players right now. Like others have said, it's concerning to see the whole team playing off. I agree even Gio has looked poor. I'm confident in GM Brad's ability to sit down with players/coaches, and get the big picture on what the change is this year. It may just be a team going through a rough patch. It may be something deeper, and to me, it looks like a lack of confidence and a system as a whole that isn't working. Tre will have a good idea internally of whats happened just by talking to his players and coaching staff.

[zukes]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Good lord don't do any stupid shake up trades that will be regretted.

Jettison some dead weight if you can, but please no panic moves.

If the team can't turn it around, sell at the deadline, load up on picks, grab an elite prospect at the draft, evaluate the core and if some of the core needs to be changed out do it in the off season when more teams have more flexibility.

Exactly. Give this team time. We all know that it is in there. There are so many things pointing to positive regression. The low shooting percentage, so many guys being on career low paces. If this type of slump happens later in the season...kinda like last year....it is masked by the record before it. So the slump is happening earlier this year. Isn't that better? Have the team playing like it did mid-season last year as the playoffs approach and into the playoffs.

They will come out of it and go on a big run any time now and if they don't, sell at the deadline when team's overpay.

[Flash Walken]

For something that's not going to happen, there sure are a lot media people talking about trading gaudreau.

Not much talk of dealing anyone else from the core group, just a bunch of plugged in media guys talking about a single player.

Weird.

[ComixZone]

Just please don’t spend futures on pieces around the perimeter, and if you’re trading Gaudreau it’s probably a trade we’re going to lose as dealing elite players rarely works out for the team saying goodbye to the talent.

It would however be the most Calgary Flames thing ever to trade Gaudreau for size and “heart”.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I have not heard anything positive about the way Peter's treats his players, but I have heard he is Keenan esque in how he tries to 'motivate' players.

Basically singles out a well liked player in the room and gives them a permanent seat in his dog house. Unites the guys by rallying around how much they all dislike him.

I know for a FACT this is was the case in Carolina. The players HATED him there, and were very happy to see him leave.