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Dragomir · 11-19-2019, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Psytic

Somebody said Reinhart & Mittelstadt and a pick for Johnny on Hf. I'd do it.

That’s a fantastic deal for the Flames, I would do it. I don’t see why the Sabres would give up that much though.

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Elkyiv · 11-19-2019, 04:31 PM

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Can Monahan even survive without Johnny?

He had a great rookie season without Johnny centering the 3rd line

Psytic · 11-19-2019, 04:34 PM

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He had a great rookie season without Johnny centering the 3rd line

Thats what I thought but he has been conditioned for a number of years for no work tap ins so hopefully he still has that magic.

HighLifeMan · 11-19-2019, 04:36 PM

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65pt 200 ft Center, blue chip prospect and a 1st. One guy wanted to throw in Risto to. Not sure how the salary shakes out.

Reinhart has been, and continues to be a winger at the NHL level.

Psytic · 11-19-2019, 04:43 PM

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Reinhart has been, and continues to be a winger at the NHL level.

Tkachuck is a LW we have played at RW. Lindholm can play center or RW as well. Sam can be played much like Lindholm. Right now they are stacking him with Eichel. We can stack him with Monahan or move Lindholm to centre and have Sam wing or flip Lindholm to RW and have Sam centre. So many options.

Roof-Daddy · 11-19-2019, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Psytic

Somebody said Reinhart & Mittelstadt and a pick for Johnny on Hf. I'd do it.

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Not enough unless "a pick" is the Sabres' next first-rounder without lottery protection.

Mittelstadt has barely shown anything at the NHL level and Reinhart isn't enough of a play-driver to justify trading Gaudreau.

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Originally Posted by Dragomir

That’s a fantastic deal for the Flames, I would do it. I don’t see why the Sabres would give up that much though.

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lol

Trade proposals. A fruitless endeavor.

Resolute 14 · 11-19-2019, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

This is the guy the organization is willing to go to the wall for?

Really?

I was definitely not on board with the hiring of Peters, but face facts man. He delivered a 50 win season last year. That's going to buy him time. And it should.

Flash Walken · 11-19-2019, 04:54 PM

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I was definitely not on board with the hiring of Peters, but face facts man. He delivered a 50 win season last year. That's going to buy him time. And it should.

Sure, and Bob Hartley was coach of the year before being fired and never coaching in the NHL again.

For me, it's about dancing with the one's that brung ya. If you're of the belief that coaches get too much credit and too much blame, then basically they are a relatively unimportant ingredient and are relatively interchangeable.

If that's the case, why not find one that the players want to play for?

I don't know what's going on in the lockerroom but I"ve talked to guys that played for him and I have a pretty good sense of how things have probably gone.

If the core group or leadership group whatever you want to call it has tuned him out or hates the guy and don't want to work for him, find another interchangeable guy and see what happens.

Twice in the last 10 years we've seen an underperforming group transform into world beaters after replacing their coach midseason. I don't think the Flames are the St. Louis blues, but surely it's not outside the realm of possibility.

I feel like step one is first do no harm. Trading Gaudreau could have years worth of harm attached to it if done incorrectly.

If everyone in that lockerroom understands gaudreau is the problem, sure, trade his ass out of town. I'm just not convinced, and don't think Peters is such a good coach that he can't be replaced.

Resolute 14 · 11-19-2019, 04:59 PM

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Sure, and Bob Hartley was coach of the year before being fired and never coaching in the NHL again.

You aren't this dense, so stop acting like it. Hartley was fired a full season after his Jack Adams win. Not 20 games after.

Teroy · 11-19-2019, 05:18 PM

The play dieing on Gaudreau's stick has nothing to do with the coach. Gaudreau has a history of whining and I wouldn't be surprised if this carries over to the dressing room. I wouldn't be surprised if his nose is out of join with the latest salaries. That said, some of you might be satisfied with a one dimensional player, but I'm not. I'd gladly trade him for a player that works his butt off all the time. As far as I'm concerned, he's as much a detriment to the team as he is a benefit.

Jiri Hrdina · 11-19-2019, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragomir

That’s a fantastic deal for the Flames, I would do it. I don’t see why the Sabres would give up that much though.

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Ultimately depends on how the Sabres project Middlestadt. Thus far - his NHL production is concerning, because he's either a top line offensive player, or he's not in the NHL.
Always was a boom/bust player - but so far not looking like its boom.

Ped · 11-19-2019, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Ultimately depends on how the Sabres project Middlestadt. Thus far - his NHL production is concerning, because he's either a top line offensive player, or he's not in the NHL.
Always was a boom/bust player - but so far not looking like its boom.

I'm no scout, but I've never been impressed by Mittelstadt, and at this point, he's not really blue-chip. So the Sabres would have to give up more.

dissentowner · 11-19-2019, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragomir

That’s a fantastic deal for the Flames, I would do it. I don’t see why the Sabres would give up that much though.

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Is that you Jay Feaster? You want to trade an elite winger on a great contract for a 50 point winger and a bag of magic beans? This place has gone insane.

Psytic · 11-19-2019, 06:26 PM

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Is that you Jay Feaster? You want to trade an elite winger on a great contract for a 50 point winger and a bag of magic beans? This place has gone insane.

Its usually the going rate isn't it? 1st, roster player and prospect or in this case three young roster players and you get a younger offensive top pairing D as well to replace Brodie. Star trades usually include futures/ magic beans unless you can find a change of scenery deal. Its not like these are old players either they are still developing. Didn't see that good of offers on HF outside of this one, doesn't seem like Johnny is that hot a ticket to other fan bases.

I have no issues keeping him but I wouldn't mind entertaining something similar as Johnny gets closer to a new contract and if we havent had any success as we probably cant afford him in two years anyway. This way we reset the window a few years build around Chucky, Reinhart, Lindholm and Monahan get some prospects, draft the 1sts and go from there as a mini re-tool. I dont see this team being a legit threat in the next two years but who knows.

Samonadreau · 11-19-2019, 09:32 PM

What the hell is wrong with Johnny?

CalgaryFan1988 · 11-19-2019, 09:36 PM

I'd gladly trade Gaudreau when the time is right. The time is not now, selling low on JG would be idiotic.

dammage79 · 11-19-2019, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Samonadreau

What the hell is wrong with Johnny?

Tonight, Zadorov owned him. Let that sink in.

BrennyBaller · 11-19-2019, 09:51 PM

He seems to have lost a step. He’s never been lights out fast, but he could beat defenders wide and set up in the corner or button hook. It could be that the book is out on him if you step up and force him to to boards he’s not near as useful.

Samonadreau · 11-19-2019, 09:55 PM

Does anyone know if he has fixed or improved his diet? Or is he still 'Johnny Ham & Cheese'

flames_fan_down_under · 11-19-2019, 10:02 PM

I worry a lot about trading a guy like Gaudreau who could very well just not be happy under Peters. I worry about A) getting a non-stellar return and then B) the team realizing that Peters is in fact not a very good coach and Peters is out not long after and the end result is we are down a very talented winger and no further ahead in the standings.

Despite how bad Gaudreau has been Backlund still has less goals and way less points and continues to demonstrate clearly he is not a top 6 NHL talent. The goal should be a top 6 centre. Trading Gaudreau would be a massive step backwards for this team that is absolutely starved for offense.