Johnny Gaudreau: Trade or Keep?

[Macho0978]

Imo the Flames window of opportunity to win is this year and the next 2 years. Trading Gaudreau might not be a bad idea as he likely gets a massive return due to his favorable contract. But more likely a team who adds him wants to improve now. The return likely brings back high end picks and prospects and maybe short term unwanted salary. Unless you add high end prospects who make an immediate impact trading Gaudreau probably pushes the window of opportunity out a year or 2. I'm not against that especially if things dont turn around soon but if they do this be prepared to trade Giordano too. If they won't consider that then I'm more for trading Hamonic brodie frolik and jankowski for picks and hopefully win the draft lottery and restock the cupboards keeping the same core together

I still think even if this year is a write off next summer could be good especially if you have a top 10 or better first and a bunch of 2nd through 4th picks. If you can draft a top end forward in the draft it can change things in a hurry. If not trade him and Gio next year

[Ashasx]

Konecny is near a point per game this season. Why would Philly trade their leading scorer?

I can understand people wanting to trade Gaudreau if they get a package that includes somebody like Konecny, but that's not the type of player we're going to get in a situation like this.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Konecny is near a point per game this season. Why would Philly trade their leading scorer?

I can understand people wanting to trade Gaudreau if they get a package that includes somebody like Konecny, but that's not the type of player we're going to get in a situation like this.

Exactly. He makes half what Gaudreau makes and is an rfa his next deal. If we trade Johnny to philly it will be for someone who isn't out producing him or high end prospects and their first. Maybe 2 firsts. Depends on the prospect but philly only does it to increase chances of winning now

Great thing about trading Johnny is his contract fits in on every team for 2 more years. This would be biggest reason return would be very good

Colorado would be a great fit. Jost Timmons and 2 firsts?

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Exactly. He makes half what Gaudreau makes and is an rfa his next deal. If we trade Johnny to philly it will be for someone who isn't out producing him or high end prospects and their first. Maybe 2 firsts. Depends on the prospect but philly only does it to increase chances of winning now

Great thing about trading Johnny is his contract fits in on every team for 2 more years. This would be biggest reason return would be very good

Colorado would be a great fit. Jost Timmons and 2 firsts?

I hate Colorado. They broke our team. Not doing any deals with them.

[Harry Lime]

Philly has Morgan Frost, Travis Sanheim, Nolan Patrick, Isaac Ratcliffe, and their first round pick. I think that Joel Farabee has moved into the area of untouchable. You would likely be getting three of those assets. Few teams can make this play like Philly can, and has the desire to. They want to contend the next three years, during the Giroux/Vorachek window.

(note that Sanheim would be one of the three to balance salaries, and he shoots left but plays right)

The interesting thing about making a big trade is that it opens up the possibilities of other trades. Get Sanheim, and suddenly Hamonic becomes expendable. Let Brodie walk in the off-season, and we are in a good cap space with only a bottom pairing spot to fill.

[Brick]

I would trade Gaudreau...
and others...
This current rendition of the Calgary Flames isn't going anywhere that matters.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Brick

I would trade Gaudreau...
and others...
This current rendition of the Calgary Flames isn't going anywhere that matters.

It sucks to lose his flash, but I would sacrifice it if you can get bigger, stronger players in return that can produce and won't play on the perimeter.

The only way Johnny could continue to be "the" catalyst for the offense of a team that would win is if he didn't lose his creativity and evasive ability.

But the past couple seasons he looks like he has less ideas out there, is resorting to moves that teams can shut down, and can't dangle around guys with the same consistency, whether it's confidence or otherwise. He produces in spurts but he's not controlling the flow of play during his shifts like he once did, which is about as important. Him and Monahan put up points but they do get out-possessed and scored against a lot which negates a lot of the good they do.

We need our top line to spend the vast majority of its ice time with the puck in the other team's end.

The difference of late is the top line has so many one and done plays without sustained zone time and pressure.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Philly has Morgan Frost, Travis Sanheim, Nolan Patrick, Isaac Ratcliffe, and their first round pick. I think that Joel Farabee has moved into the area of untouchable. You would likely be getting three of those assets. Few teams can make this play like Philly can, and has the desire to. They want to contend the next three years, during the Giroux/Vorachek window.

(note that Sanheim would be one of the three to balance salaries, and he shoots left but plays right)

The interesting thing about making a big trade is that it opens up the possibilities of other trades. Get Sanheim, and suddenly Hamonic becomes expendable. Let Brodie walk in the off-season, and we are in a good cap space with only a bottom pairing spot to fill.

Philly has no reason to trade any of those players. Unlike the Flames, the Flyers decided to build through the draft instead of trading a bunch of picks for magic beans, and are now just starting to reap the benefits. This is why they are a relevant franchise and the Flames are not.

[1_Flames_Fan]

If someone wants to overpay and it helps the Flames trade him. Never hurts to listen. If we can get a comparable player/s back as far as expected points/goals/assists with some more grit and size I would do it.

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[FlamesAddiction]

I am not aching to trade him, but I don’t think he is untouchable by any means.

[Dana Murzyn]

Young, durable, wildly talented point-per-game forward on a good contract. I can't believe this is even a question.

[Badgers Nose]

I prefer we keep him.

Some random thoughts on this:

He'd never openly admit it, and I don't think he would ever quit on this team, but perhaps Johnny would welcome a trade out of here; it feels like this Flames iteration's peak was last year.

Are the top guys are a little burned out from carrying this team for so long? Maybe bringing in someone new to carry this load would help. But would they relish carrying that weight like Johnny seem to?

Is the emphasis on defensive style after the last post season disappointment bringing back memories of the GG grind for some players and they just can't muster enthusiasm for that style? Would another superstar player relish playing this style? I doubt it.

Is the lack of fresh faces a problem? Last year, Elias brought a boost. Maybe if some of the rumoured trades last off season happened it would have energized the team. What was awesome about that trade is it essentially added at a cost nearly everyone was willing to pay. It was a steal. Can you reproduce that at Johnny scale?

Too many questions. I'd rather stick with the known quantity.

[bluejays]

While I'm not fully against trading Gaudreau, his value is among the best in the league. He's a definite first line player on almost every team, however he's not a franchise player. So you keep him but know he's not the player who will carry you single handedly. The return would have to be pretty spectacular to deal him and frankly in the cap world I don't know why you would as he's not a problem despite the setback this year.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Brick

I would trade Gaudreau...
and others...
This current rendition of the Calgary Flames isn't going anywhere that matters.

And I bet that makes you happier than a pig in you know what.

[Corral]

JG has the disadvantage of being small, and so he cannot be your #1 guy. However he is extremely talented and entertaining and on a very team friendly contract. The flames cannot afford to trade him now, unless they want to sink to the bottom fast.

The real issue is the amount of money treliving is paying the bottom six (includes backlund) which constrains his options. This is on the GM and his only way out of this mess is to trade from the D.

As I’ve said before that means trading rasmus andersson for a star forward

[kyuss275]

A little early for this thread isn't it? Can't see flames trading him durring the season. If team needs a shake up and wants to trade Johnny it will be in the summer.

[CF84]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I hate Colorado. They broke our team. Not doing any deals with them.

I also hate that the Flames, this year, resemble the 2014-15 Avalanche team (after they were broken by the Wild).



If Johnny is just in a slump or is not feeling 100% right now, I'd rather keep him. I will however, admit that thoughts of trading him have began to sneak into my mind.

[AltaGuy]

I would rather trade Monahan. Still think a fast, big, defensively responsible center would do wonders with Gaudreau.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by AltaGuy

I would rather trade Monahan. Still think a fast, big, defensively responsible center would do wonders with Gaudreau.

Sounds like Lindholm

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Philly has no reason to trade any of those players. Unlike the Flames, the Flyers decided to build through the draft instead of trading a bunch of picks for magic beans, and are now just starting to reap the benefits. This is why they are a relevant franchise and the Flames are not.

Philly also quit pissing around with coaches who aren't elite. Vigneault is one of the best.