Comments about Don Cherry, hockey on The Social spark outrage
I also take issue with these comments. She may have bad experience(s) with some white boy hockey players in her life (she did say in my experience) BUT not all people who play hockey are white and not all people who play hockey are boys. She should not paint everyone who plays hockey with the same brush. Also, the comment about "go and see a bit of the world instead of spending it in the arena" was pretty dumb as if it's one or the other. Hockey can actually lend a bit of that as teams often travel to different communities for tournaments.
My kids are still a bit too young for hockey but my buddy in Strathmore told me that if you sign up for Strathmore minor hockey, you have to give a $250 deposit at the beginning of the season. If your child does 6 hours of volunteer services throughout the season, you get that $250 back. If they do not then they keep the $250. Volunteer services can be at the food bank, at an elementary school, cleaning garbage with the town, and a few other options. My point in bringing this up is that different hockey communities are trying to install some good in kids beyond playing hockey.
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Technically none of it is ok but only one type of bigotry tends to cause harm.
Hmmm. I'm not exactly buying that. I have thick skin and disparaging comments about white folk don't overly upset me but you are under the assumption that all white people are not harmed by bigotry which is wrong as everyone handles things differently.
I also take issue with these comments. She may have bad experience(s) with some white boy hockey players in her life (she did say in my experience) BUT not all people who play hockey are white and not all people who play hockey are boys. She should not paint everyone who plays hockey with the same brush. Also, the comment about "go and see a bit of the world instead of spending it in the arena" was pretty dumb as if it's one or the other. Hockey can actually lend a bit of that as teams often travel to different communities for tournaments.
My kids are still a bit too young for hockey but my buddy in Strathmore told me that if you sign up for Strathmore minor hockey, you have to give a $250 deposit at the beginning of the season. If your child does 6 hours of volunteer services throughout the season, you get that $250 back. If they do not then they keep the $250. Volunteer services can be at the food bank, at an elementary school, cleaning garbage with the town, and a few other options.
Read the last few pages, it’s been addressed multiple times.
And just like Cherry she’s doubling down and revelling in the attention she’s getting. I don’t care what happens to her though because she’s irrelevant and Cherry at least was a celebrity and had a large audience.
She’s just glad that her name is trending.
This is also an important point which I thought but forgot to mention. I never heard of her before this.
Hmmm. I'm not exactly buying that. I have thick skin and disparaging comments about white folk don't overly upset me but you are under the assumption that all white people are not harmed by bigotry which is wrong as everyone handles things differently.
I draw a distinction between feeling harmed and being beaten up or refused a job.
I loathed Austin Powers and its crappy cheap British stereotyping but no one went out looking for a Brit to beat up on a Saturday night because of it.
The same does not apply to LGBT stereotyping.
I suppose the issue at hand is should she get fired? I personally don't find her comments offensive but she basically did the same thing that Cherry has been accused of. This is the entire issue of the current outrage culture is that people are losing their livelihoods for opinions when they are at times in positions where they are paid to provide their opinions.
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I draw a distinction between feeling harmed and being beaten up or refused a job.
I loathed Austin Powers and its crappy cheap British stereotyping but no one went out looking for a Brit to beat up on a Saturday night because of it.
The same does not apply to LGBT stereotyping.
Where is this happening every Saturday night to LGBT's?
Generalizing and espousing negative stereotypes of the US and its citizens is something I have complained about before on CP. For me, it's not the hill I am going to die on since ultimately it says more about the speaker or writer than it does about the people they believe they understand.
Now I'm not sure what your point is more broadly, just pointing out that "anti-American" seems to be a pretty safe space here.
My point is how slippery of a slope it is when you start accusing people of racism/bigotry when you state it is not open to debate, because it is a two way street, not a one way.
People make mistakes in what they are trying to say and I was annoyed at how quickly/happily people were willing to celebrate in someones downfall.
I see a lot of ageist comments on here too, but apparently that is also not offensive. Well not to some people, what if the rhetoric changes on that? There would be a lot of comments here people would want to take back.
At the end of the day I think everyone has the right intentions, it is just how it can somehow be perceived when you are reading it.
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Where is this happening every Saturday night to LGBT's?
It used to, and not that long ago, going f** bashing was a regular occurrence here and in the UK, those were the days when making gay jokes were fine, a effeminate gay character was a stock character in sitcoms, same applied to east Indians in the UK.
I suppose the issue at hand is should she get fired? I personally don't find her comments offensive but she basically did the same thing that Cherry has been accused of. This is the entire issue of the current outrage culture is that people are losing their livelihoods for opinions when they are at times in positions where they are paid to provide their opinions.
Eye for eye is my thought, but we will see. I truly dont care either way
I just saw this video and I genuinely feel offended. Jess Allen basically called all hockey players young white bullies and that we choose to spend our weekends in the arenas instead of learning about the world.
I feel like she did the same thing that Don Cherry did.
Did anybody manage the full 9 years and 14 months of that clip?
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I suppose the issue at hand is should she get fired? I personally don't find her comments offensive but she basically did the same thing that Cherry has been accused of. This is the entire issue of the current outrage culture is that people are losing their livelihoods for opinions when they are at times in positions where they are paid to provide their opinions.
That's up her boss, as it was with Cherry, even with Cherry if HNIC had kept him on that's their call, I'm just not going to try and defend what he said.
Lots of interesting info there. OT, but I found this interesting
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The philosophers Justin Tosi and Brandon Warmke have proposed the useful phrase moral grandstanding to describe what happens when people use moral talk to enhance their prestige in a public forum. Like a succession of orators speaking to a skeptical audience, each person strives to outdo previous speakers, leading to some common patterns. Grandstanders tend to “trump up moral charges, pile on in cases of public shaming, announce that anyone who disagrees with them is obviously wrong, or exaggerate emotional displays.” Nuance and truth are casualties in this competition to gain the approval of the audience. Grandstanders scrutinize every word spoken by their opponents—and sometimes even their friends—for the potential to evoke public outrage. Context collapses. The speaker’s intent is ignored
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The philosophers Justin Tosi and Brandon Warmke have proposed the useful phrase moral grandstanding to describe what happens when people use moral talk to enhance their prestige in a public forum. Like a succession of orators speaking to a skeptical audience, each person strives to outdo previous speakers, leading to some common patterns. Grandstanders tend to “trump up moral charges, pile on in cases of public shaming, announce that anyone who disagrees with them is obviously wrong, or exaggerate emotional displays.” ...
What a great quote! A few forum posters here come to mind immediately.
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He said maybe one thing that was maybe suspect - "you people" (or to that effect - I can't check right now).. and that's it. I would like to point out that one would have to infer what he meant by that... "you people" could mean any group of people, but one would have to make a jump for it to mean "immigrants" - it could mean "people in big cities" like Toronto based on his context... or it could mean "young people" since they largely don't think of freedom and WWII and the sacrifice those soldier's made for our freedom.
"You people that come here." Yep, certainly couldn't mean immigrants, probably just meant people from Toronto.
That comment on the Social is completely out of line. I don't want her fired, that is just stupid, but she needs to acknowledge that is not a fair comment to 'white boys" and have a chance to re phrase what she was trying to get across.
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I suppose the issue at hand is should she get fired? I personally don't find her comments offensive but she basically did the same thing that Cherry has been accused of. This is the entire issue of the current outrage culture is that people are losing their livelihoods for opinions when they are at times in positions where they are paid to provide their opinions.
I think you're falsely attributing consequences to "outrage culture."
I don't think she should be fired, but I also didn't think Cherry should've been fired for his comments. That said, what I think is wholly irrelevant. If an employer feels they need to fire someone (for damaging their brand, or misrepresenting them, or whatever) that's entirely their right to do it and not up to us.
In my opinion, Cherry being fired is just an inevitable result of his slow decent into becoming a really awful broadcaster. This moment provided the reason, but he was holding onto that job based on name alone, no question. I'm glad he's gone, not because I'm happy he suffered consequences for what he said, but because he was a pain to watch.
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It used to, and not that long ago, going f** bashing was a regular occurrence here and in the UK, those were the days when making gay jokes were fine, a effeminate gay character was a stock character in sitcoms, same applied to east Indians in the UK.
Mind your language!
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