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View Poll Results: Should Don Cherry have been fired?
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11-12-2019, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Balderdash. Cherry's contract came up for renewal this season, and they renewed it. If they wanted to get rid of him they could have done it then. As it is, I suspect he's had his warnings before so this isn't as sudden as is being made out.
Also, SN has nothing to do with the NHL going to China, and the NHL has nothing to do with Cherry's contract.
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Yes, but people have already tried and failed to blame the CBC, Trudeau voters, the government by extension of the CBC, PC culture, cancel culture, social justice warriors, internet warriors, immigrants who leech off society, people who buy Chris Brown albums, all Canadians, and now you're going to take blaming the NHL away from them too?
What next? Having to blame Cherry for his actions? You monster!
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11-12-2019, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
It is if the conclusions are formed on the basis of observations that stem from any racial, ethnic, or regional stereotype.
"I assume that black people I see not wearing poppies are immigrants who dishonour our military" would be "an assumption about someone based on an observation," and it would most definitely be racist.
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If Cherry had said "those brown people" or similar you might have a point. It might even be what he meant, but that's entering thought crime territory. If anything his prejudice is towards Russians, the French, etc. At least going on past statements.
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11-12-2019, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Scorch
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Who read this in a Russian accent?
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11-12-2019, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cannon7
I never really cared for Don Cherry, agree with those that said he should have retired a decade ago.
But "racist" is being stretched so thin these days it's completely losing all meaning. The doddering old man literally ad libs that crap. Why are we shocked stupid words were said?
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I don't think anyone is shocked at anything Cherry said, I am shocked anyone would try and defend it frankly, or even object to a wholly irrelevant figure who has been out of touch with hockey, let alone the real world for a decade or more, being fired for saying something on air in his job as a hockey commentator about his wholly spurious belief that immigrants that don't wear a poppy are ungrateful to Canada or perhaps he meant anyone not wearing a poppy must be an immigrant seriously it was an insane rambling rant, vast numbers of people don't wear poppies, it has nothing to do with where they came from it was both offensive and untrue, two things that will get you canned in any job.
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11-12-2019, 02:05 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
Remembrance Day is a somber day.
It is a day full of emotions, you can't pin one emotion to that day.
Some have survivor guilt, some have overwhelming loss, some have a sense of not doing enough, the emotions are many and varied.
On a personal note I struggle with it, I hate how it makes me feel.
But nobody has a sense of glorification.
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Fair enough. I am uncomfortable with the changing tone of Remembrance Day celebrations as fewer and fewer veterans of the world wars are part of it but I know it has deep significance to a lot of people. Hard to express an opinion on this without rubbing a lot of people the wrong way and I didn't soft-peddle it, but beyond Don Cherry's offensive comments, there is a problem with people getting upset and offended at people who don't wear poppies. We don't all share the same worldview or understanding of history or geopolitics. Happy to hear the views of others on this but I hate feeling like I can't say what I think about it.
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11-12-2019, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cannon7
If Cherry had said "those brown people" or similar you might have a point. It might even be what he meant, but that's entering thought crime territory.
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Cherry said: "You people love— you, that come here, whatever it is—you love our way of life, you love our milk and honey, at least you could pay a couple of bucks for a poppy or something like that."
He meant to single out immigrants. He has further confirmed that he meant EVERY WORD of what he said.
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If anything his prejudice is towards Russians, the French, etc. At least going on past statements.
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Why does that even matter? Any prejudice formed on the basis of any racial or regional distinction is racist:
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Originally Posted by Oxford English Dictionary
racist, n. and adj.
Pronunciation: Brit. /ˈreɪsɪst/, U.S. /ˈreɪsᵻst/
a person whose words or actions display prejudice or discrimination on the grounds of race (see race n.6 1b, 1c, 1d). Also in extended use: a person who is prejudiced against people of other nationalities.
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11-12-2019, 02:08 PM
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#867
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All I can get
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After this Saturday, this whole thing will die down.
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11-12-2019, 02:08 PM
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#868
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Originally Posted by cannon7
If Cherry had said "those brown people" or similar you might have a point. It might even be what he meant, but that's entering thought crime territory. If anything his prejudice is towards Russians, the French, etc. At least going on past statements.
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It doesn't matter what colour of immigrants he is singling out, although lets be honest I doubt he has a problem with a white English guy like me, he shouldn't be singling out anyone'
You are right Cherry doesn't seem to much like anyone but white English people, he doesn't appear to like the French or Russians, but I've got news for you, that isn't a defense!!!
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11-12-2019, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by cannon7
If Cherry had said "those brown people" or similar you might have a point. It might even be what he meant, but that's entering thought crime territory. If anything his prejudice is towards Russians, the French, etc. At least going on past statements.
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So he has to explicitly say that, instead of just blowing that dog whistle really hard? It's not thought crime, it's getting what he said (and what he hasn't denied).
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11-12-2019, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
You can tell someone's grammar just by looking at them?
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Yes, the old couple is obviously my grammar and grampa.
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11-12-2019, 02:22 PM
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#871
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Looooooooooooooch
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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop
After this Saturday, this whole thing will die down.
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No, the country have been divided beyond repair.
People will be out in the streets protesting.
This is an infringement on the 1st amendment!
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11-12-2019, 02:29 PM
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Hearing Don Cherry speak in interview post-firing, I'm more happy that he has been fired. He has been a jackass for decades in the way that he has spoken about non-Canadians and those who don't fit his idea of good Canadians. I never liked him being enabled, never felt those views of his were consistent with my understanding of Canadian values and I think that Canadian sports broadcasting will be better without him.
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11-12-2019, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Burner
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but then its also fair to say you dont value what others have done to bring Canada to where it is today and I call that disrespectful
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What if I gave $50 to the Legion yet didn’t wear a poppy?
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11-12-2019, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Textcritic
Why does that even matter? Any prejudice formed on the basis of any racial or regional distinction is racist.
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Give it time. Before long "racist" will be defined as "being a meanie".
Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will cost you your job.
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11-12-2019, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by cannon7
Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words will cost you your job.
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Yes. Just like always.
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11-12-2019, 02:46 PM
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Truculent!
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Literally every company/person who has a vested interest in Cherry and his product, have come out condemning the goof.
These are people that work with him, known him for years, and whos success is in some part reliant on him.
And they are turning their backs on him.
Why is this even a ####ing debate?
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11-12-2019, 02:47 PM
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Needs More Cowbell
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
So he has to explicitly say that, instead of just blowing that dog whistle really hard? It's not thought crime, it's getting what he said (and what he hasn't denied).
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Are you a dog? No? Then get away from that fire hydrant.
Are you OK with being fired based on implicit assumptions? Maybe we're giving Cherry too much credit here in characterizing his observation as some encoded racist statement. Is it possible he's just an idiot who is terrible ad ad lib? Hell, half the segment he's being reminded what he wanted to talk about.
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11-12-2019, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by cannon7
Are you a dog? No? Then get away from that fire hydrant.
Are you OK with being fired based on implicit assumptions? Maybe we're giving Cherry too much credit here in characterizing his observation as some encoded racist statement. Is it possible he's just an idiot who is terrible ad ad lib? Hell, half the segment he's being reminded what he wanted to talk about.
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So he made a racist comment by accident? Well then that changes everything. By all means hand him his job back and give him an apology. We've all made a terrible assumption.
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11-12-2019, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by cannon7
Are you a dog? No? Then get away from that fire hydrant.
Are you OK with being fired based on implicit assumptions? Maybe we're giving Cherry too much credit here in characterizing his observation as some encoded racist statement. Is it possible he's just an idiot who is terrible ad ad lib? Hell, half the segment he's being reminded what he wanted to talk about.
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they gave him a chance to walk it back though before firing him. he said so himself, but he chose not to.
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11-12-2019, 02:51 PM
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Truculent!
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Originally Posted by cannon7
Are you a dog? No? Then get away from that fire hydrant.
Are you OK with being fired based on implicit assumptions? Maybe we're giving Cherry too much credit here in characterizing his observation as some encoded racist statement. Is it possible he's just an idiot who is terrible ad ad lib? Hell, half the segment he's being reminded what he wanted to talk about.
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If you say something offensive and ignorant, whether you meant it or not, you should face the consequences. Cherry's consequences are more severe than normal because he has very clearly has told everyone to go F themselves and he meant what he said.
He also very clearly said he doesn't want to be, nor will he be, politically correct.
Why specifically make that statement if you weren't purposefully being politically incorrect.
He knew what he said. We know what he said. And he got what was coming to him.
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