Don Cherry Fired by SN - Poll Added

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Is there any actual evidence that immigrants wear less poppies than Canadian born citizens?
Everyone defending Cherry seems to take that as a given fact, and it's probably not even statistically true.

In case you missed it, there was some "completely objective" field work undertaken earlier today...

Originally Posted by Wedge

As upsetting to some as Cherry's comments are, what if what he said is true? Is he still a bad guy if what he said is true? Yes, I get it, a person can't say such things. How dare they!

I live in Vancouver and was out this morning (between 8:40 and 10:30) and did a completely objective (but obviously not at all scientifically or statistically representative) visual survey. I did not include runners, cyclists, or babies. Five people out of 282 were wearing poppies … three "white" men and two "white" women. Roughly a quarter of the people I saw were "white". I was disgusted by the primary conclusion to be made, that being how few people in general were without a poppy. Again, I get that this is hardly something to draw any thought changing conclusion from.

In Cherry's comments I believe he did say in downtown Toronto "nobody" wears a poppy. Such ignorance seems to exist here in Vancouver as well.

I obviously don't usually (as in never) look at such things, and only did because of the backlash.

I attended an 11 o' clock Remembrance Day service at the closest cemetery/cenotaph and predictably the numbers were far different with over 90% in attendance wearing a poppy. There was however only one South Asian family there, one East Asian family there and one "African-Canadian" family there, and the rest being of some sort of European decent.

Just sayin ...

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

If you are an immigrant, as I am, you work, no one gets to come to Canada and leech, you aren't entitled to a thing as an immigrant here, no welfare, no housing nothing, this immigrant has been here for 40 odd years working his arse off, like every immigrant I have ever met.

If you are a refugee you are not allowed to work, although every last one of the refugees I have known was just aching for the day they were allowed to work so they could give back to the country that gave them refuge.

I was wrong, you appear to be a racist

You don’t know me, you don’t know my social circle. Yet you assume I am a racist.
So you think it is only non immigrants that leech off of society then?
My interpretation was based off of what Don Cherry said. That’s why it’s called an interpretation.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

How do you interpret getting milk and honey for nothing?

He didn't say that though, he said 'You people ... you love our way of life, you love our milk and honey' he made no mention of getting it for nothing, you decided that all on your own, bless your pointy little head.

What he meant was immigrants love the opportunities that living in Canada gives them, he's right 'we' do, and 'we' immigrants are always grateful to this wonderful country for the benefits it has given 'us', the benefit of being able to work hard and do well and succeed regardless of race creed or colour.

No one gives up everything, their home, friends and family, to travel half way round the world to come to Canada to live on welfare in a CMHC housing program, 'we' come here to work and thrive, it is what Canada offers us, a place to do well.

This is what makes Canada special to me.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It is about us and them.

It's always been about us and them with Cherry. That's been his whole schtick for decades. Have we entered some alternate reality where Cherry didn't denounce Swedes, Russians, and Americans literally hundreds of times?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

When they are using the racial slurs . Yes.

People from large cities also use racial slurs fyi

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

He didn't say that though, he said 'You people ... you love our way of life, you love our milk and honey' he made no mention of getting it for nothing, you decided that all on your own, bless your pointy little head.

What he meant was immigrants love the opportunities that living in Canada gives them, he's right 'we' do, and 'we' immigrants are always grateful to this wonderful country for the benefits it has given 'us', the benefit of being able to work hard and do well and succeed regardless of race creed or colour.

No one gives up everything, their home, friends and family, to travel half way round the world to come to Canada to live on welfare in a CMHC housing program, 'we' come here to work and thrive, it is what Canada offers us, a place to do well.

This is what makes Canada special to me.

Well then, the quote I seen was wrong. So I would definitely apologize for the mixup.

[flamesgod]

Yup, I was wrong. It doesn’t say for nothing. I apologize. That completely changes the interpretation.

[81MC]

Man, I’m pretty sick of this world sometimes. Genocide of the Uighars in China, where the ####ing NHL still hosts preseason games. But they need to come out and make a statement as well, against Don ####ing Cherry.

Perspective, this old guy on a hockey show does not have the power to denigrate thousands of people unless you’re willing to give it to him. Inflammatory remarks by a TV personality? Move on, you’ll be fine.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

This immigrant argument is so weird.

Americans don't wear poppies. So if they immigrated to Canada they probably wouldn't wear one either unless they felt like it. Like all other immigrants.

They should...it's not a tradition like putting up Christmas lights. Anyone who is fortunate enough to live free in Canada should show their respect and appreciation.

There is a better way to educate people than shaming them though

[WCW Nitro]

Immigrants owe nothing beyond paying taxes and following the law. I lived in Qatar and people from all over the world moved there and saw the country as nothing more than a money opportunity and couldn't care less about the nation's history, which is absolutely ok.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Yup, I was wrong. It doesn’t say for nothing. I apologize. That completely changes the interpretation.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and again assume you aren't racists, but I will point out you defended Cherry when you thought he had said something wholly racist, immigrants, I repeat, never get welfare or housing or anything else when they get here, the idea they are here leeching off society is as racist as any other reprehensible racist nonsense.

If you emigrate to Canada (as every single Canadian family everywhere once did other than native Canadians) you come here to work, it worries me you would so willingly want to believe that people like me arrive here in Canada from some far off land with any other idea than to work our buts off to make it here in this wonderful generous country.

[Matt Reeeeead]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Is there any actual evidence that immigrants wear less poppies than Canadian born citizens?
Everyone defending Cherry seems to take that as a given fact, and it's probably not even statistically true.

This is where I am at, and a point I haven’t seen many make.

If what Don said was supported by facts, I wouldn’t entirely have a problem with it. But without any factual merit, it’s just subjective bigotry.

From where I stand, more people, from all walks of life, should consider more the importance of Nov 11th, and we could all have used a little reminder from Don. But that wasn’t the point he wanted to make.


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[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Matt Reeeeead

This is where I am at, and a point I haven’t seen many make.

If what Don said was supported by facts, I wouldn’t entirely have a problem with it. But without any factual merit, it’s just subjective bigotry.

From where I stand, more people, from all walks of life, should consider more the importance of Nov 11th, and we could all have used a little reminder from Don. But that wasn’t the point he wanted to make.


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It would seem fairly obvious that people who have grown up in countries that don't honour remembrance day are less likely to understand Remembrance Day, that doesn't make them bad people or even unpatriotic and if Cherry wanted to address the issue he could have gone on the Punjabi edition of HNIC and tried to teach the importance of the day rather than berate people for not understanding something they didn't grow up with.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Scorch

It would’ve looked much worse for SN if it dragged on any further. All the other news networks would’ve had a field day for tonight’s news if Cherry was still on their payroll

I haven't followed the debacle but were any networks actually talking about this or putting pressure on SN? Did it make the news cycles on Saturday night or Sunday? They are all talking about it now because Cherry was fired.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

...if Cherry wanted to address the issue he could have gone on the Punjabi edition of HNIC and tried to teach the importance of the day rather than berate people for not understanding something they didn't grow up with.

This likely would come across poorly, since while Remembrance Day is not observed in Pakistan, it is observed in India. It would reek of white saviourism.

[SuperMatt18]

That’s exactly it.

All Cherry had to say was that “ALL CANADIANS” should be wearing the poppy and that we should be showing more support to our troops.

But instead he went the xenophobic/ racist route and singled out immigrants.

And my guess is that Rogers was going to give him the chance to apologize, and clarify his statements, but he even refused that.

At that point he probably deserves to be let go since it just solidified his stance as being xenophobic and racist.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by curmudgeon

Reply to Spinach: Obviously you wouldn't recognize satire if you ran into it on the street! I think you need to eat your spinach to improve your brain power. My comments are NOT satire they are my opinion. Yes I am old but along with age comes wisdom. You are obviously not looking at the whole story that's what I meant about lack of comprehension which you undoubtably fall under. I said my piece, gave my opinion on the issue, now I'm done. If I want to spar with someone I will do so but not with an unarmed person.

It was nice of Cherry to hold your beer.

[blender]

1. Maybe this thread need to be moved to the polyasshat sub forum.
2. One of the freedoms we cherish here is the freedom to also not wear a poppy or anything else at any given time. Not wearing a poppy doesn't actually mean anything. It is a symbol and obviously it is an honoured tradition, but Cherry is off his rocker (has been for some time) and has no business calling out anyone for not wearing a poppy. The fact that he specifically chose to single out immigrants for his vitriol is beyond the pale and he deserves to be fired. It is embarrassing and pathetic. Sad, really.

[Jbo]

Today at dinner with my family, a veteran walked in with his wife. He looked like he had just come from a ceremony or other event.

Following dinner, and with the thought that I didn’t want to disturb them during there meal, finally decided to quickly go over and said “thank you for your service”. Best thing I feel I could have done all day. A genuine thanks to someone who served so that I could enjoy my way of life.

No point to this story, other then after some 20+ pages of arguing back and forth on DC, immigrants and internet warriors on all sides, that we remember what the whole damn thing is about.

[_Q_]

So deliciously ironic that the ones screaming about Don Cherry's freedom of speech don't agree that not wearing a poppy is also an expression of that same right.