Don Cherry Fired by SN - Poll Added

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Well the one thing I found out from all of this is who a bigots and racists on my face book . Turns out almost everyone . They are all from smaller towns in the interior or Small towns in Alberta.

...sick update on your "face book" (it's one word) feed. Riveting. Do your Friendster and Nexopia feeds corroborate this conclusion as well?

Why do people do this, nobody cares about what your aunt and uncle say, and really nobody cares about your self serving moralistic conclusions. It's up there with talking about your fantasy football team. Nobody cares.

[hwy19man]

"Steven Purewal, a historian who has long researched the contribution and sacrifice of Indian soldiers during the First World War, said his immediate reaction to the news that Cherry was stepping down was one of disappointment.

“Firings and apologies don’t always work, because what they don’t do is tell the whole story…. What we need to be telling Canadians is that many, many diverse communities fought in the Great War and the Second World War. Without their contributions, we wouldn’t have the freedoms we have today."

https://globalnews.ca/news/6155539/don-cherry-firing-poppy-surrey-reaction/

[Northendzone]

^ I agree with the above. It is very confusing times these days as to what is right and what is wrong.

In the end it was likely little surprise he went out like this

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Sure Don Cherry should be held accountable for his words.

The only thing is, that this happens so close to an election where Canada made it ok to insult and attack women, insult foreign people on their own soil and have a past of bigotry.

I'm not even that political, or buy-in to the need for a right and left divide, but Canada needs to pick a lane here.

Well no one person or organization speaks for Canada.

Rogers did what was best for business. Canadians as individuals voted for their preferred choice for ruling party.

I see where you're going but I'm personally not having a hard time with any inconsistency.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The full transcript of Cherry's response reads:

"You people love—you, that come here, whatever it is—you love our way of life, you love our milk and honey, at least you could pay a couple of bucks for a poppy or something like that. These guys pay for your way of life that you enjoy in Canada; these guys paid the biggest price."

I think it was a slip. I don't think Cherry intended to say "you people that come here," but he said it most likely because that is what he believes deep down.

In the National Post article I posted above he confirms that he meant what he said, and I understand that to include the slip. I think it is actually very telling.

I find it odd that he singled out immigrants, I don't feel that I see non-visible minorities wearing poppies more than visible minorities (I also realize that not all immigrants are visible minorities and not all visible minorities are immigrants). In fact I attended a ceremony today in which it was attended by the Calgary Air Cadets, my son is one, and I venture to say that 75% of the squadron is visible minority (I don't know why that is but it is very apparent). I would also note that everyone of them and their parents seemed to be wearing poppies for the most part. I think it speaks to Don's character that he chose to single out immigrants.

[standinmotion]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I'm not even that political, or buy-in to the need for a right and left divide, but Canada needs to pick a lane here.

On balance, Canada has (always) picked the center-lane, it's just that sometimes it veers a bit to the left, and sometime it swerves a bit to the right

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

I wore a poppy. I’m an immigrant. And I’m offended. Don’t presume to know what others should or shouldn’t think.

And no for the 20th time in this thread, it doesn’t take much to infer that “those people who come here,” means immigrants.

I know he was talking about immigrants. But he was talking about the immigrants that come here and leach off of society, then don’t accept our traditions.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Best way to keep your poppy on is to buy a small Canada flag pin and put it in the centre of the poppy to hold it on. You'll never lose another poppy.

It’s exactly what I did for a while, until I lost my Canada pin and poppy. I suck at this.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

I'm surprised anybody has even watched HNIC since they let TSN buy the rights to the song.

You think people tuned in because of the song?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

"You" love "our" milk and honey.

That is it in a nutshell. There are immigrants and there is us, you know, the "real" Canadians.


I don't know what is in Cherry's heart but he had every chance to clarify.

This isn't about entitled young people.
This isn't about honoring veterans.
This isn't about reminding Canadians to cherish what they have.

It is about us and them.

I agree with you, but the way that Toronto Sun and the National Post are framing this, it is possible to read "our" as collective in this context: "You" love "our" (as in, "all of us," including "you" to whom I am speaking) milk and honey.

I think it is really important to focus on the entire quote, and not this redacted version which is prone to misinterpretation.

He said, "you, that come here." There is no ambiguity in what Cherry meant there, and pretending otherwise is a farce.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

i know he was talking about immigrants. But he was talking about the immigrants that come here and leach off of society, then don’t accept our traditions.

wtf?

[curmudgeon]

Reply to Spinach: Obviously you wouldn't recognize satire if you ran into it on the street! I think you need to eat your spinach to improve your brain power. My comments are NOT satire they are my opinion. Yes I am old but along with age comes wisdom. You are obviously not looking at the whole story that's what I meant about lack of comprehension which you undoubtably fall under. I said my piece, gave my opinion on the issue, now I'm done. If I want to spar with someone I will do so but not with an unarmed person.

[TheScorpion]

Can't say I've ever seen anybody use those emoticons, let alone multiple times in the same post.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It’s exactly what I did for a while, until I lost my Canada pin and poppy. I suck at this.

This year they were also selling black poppy center pins, looks the same as the traditional poppy center but with the same backing as the Canada pin. I picked one of those up today as I always lose multiple poppies each year.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

wtf?

You’re right, they don’t exist.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If anyone else said these things, there wouldn't even be a debate. Could you imagine if Ron MacLean, Elliot Friedman, Cassie Campbell or Eric Francis did "You people come here..." rant? No one would be defending them.

But Ron MacLean nodded along and gave a thumbs up to his comments. Then he got the phone call from the bosses, who replaced him once, and backtracked to offer his "apology" just so he could keep his job. He is no better than Cherry.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They irony is you are worried about prejudice apparently...and then single out people from small towns

When they are using the racial slurs . Yes.

[Wedge]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Did you count the number of "non-white" people in your survey? Did you count the number of white people who were also not wearing poppies? Did you account for the multiple, various reasons for why anyone you saw was without a poppy? Did you bother to consider that wearing a poppy in no way correlates to the vague idea of "support" for Canada's military, or is an indicator of patriotism?


So, why did you "just say" what you said in the first place? Is there a good reason to undertake the survey that you attempted to do? What did you hope to demonstrate through this exercise?

I mean, my opinion of your actions and your report is pretty unflattering. It looks to me like you don't understand the first thing about science, statistics, correlation and causation, and have an incredibly shallow view of what it means to be Canadian. If you intended me to understand something different, then you will most certainly need to clarify.

Okay, last response.

Yes I did count the number of Caucasian people and "non white" … and now I'm getting into your language as I recognize these are not binary categories.

As for any sort of correlation between supporting veterans and wearing a poppy? Of course there is, don't pretend to be so stupid. Seems like you don't get correlation.

What did I hope to demonstrate? Absolutely nothing more than satisfying my curiosity. I had to run some errands and had quite a bit of walking ahead of me. And again, I was surprised and disappointed by how few poppies were out there.

Stick to being a text critic, and a few other adjectives, I'll stick to, among other things, producing research for different levels of government. I was the first to bring up the lack factors not being accounted for and such.

Have a good night troll.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

You’re right, they don’t exist.

oh, they exist... just not sure if they exist in greater numbers than Canadians born in country that leech off the system and don't wear poppies.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I agree with you, but the way that Toronto Sun and the National Post are framing this, it is possible to read "our" as collective in this context: "You" love "our" (as in, "all of us," including "you" to whom I am speaking) milk and honey.

I think it is really important to focus on the entire quote, and not
this redacted version which is prone to misinterpretation. He said, "you, that come here." There is no ambiguity in what Cherry meant there, and pretending otherwise is a farce.

Agreed, pretty clear who the "you" are that he is referring to. Again he had every opportunity to clarify.

I don't want to set Don Cherry on fire. Getting old sucks. I have seen it with my Dad and his friends. You start losing your mental sharpness and you get angry at things. I get it. Unfortunately, Cherry just shouldn't have this platform any longer. Because this kind of talk is divisive.

Given how much the guy is worth, does he not have some handlers who could have helped him here? Maybe he just won't listen to anybody. I don't know.