Don Cherry Fired by SN - Poll Added

[dissentowner]

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[Yamer]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

I would say this is true considering many LPC MPs and cabinet ministers were calling for him to be fired but were ok with Trudeau wearing blackface in the 2000s.

Ok, I'm only going to chime in on this once, despite my best reservations, because the comparisons to Trudeau's situation really bothers me.

No one, except racists and ignoramuses, are OK with Trudeau having worn blackface. No data to support this, but I can say with confidence the overwhelming majority of Canadians that voted Liberal in October are severely disappointed with their leader.

Here's the difference: Trudeau did this 20 years ago in an environment of entitlement and ignorance. That does not make it OK. Since then he has grown and evolved to understand just how offensive and dumb it was, seemingly understands all of this and how it affects people, and has acknowledge, owned, and apologized for his insensitivity. He has also campaigned on improving the lives of visible minorities and Indigenous Canadians (his efficacy on the latter is debatable, at best). It's not my place to accept his apology, but either way I expect him to be better and, if this can be taken as an example, I'm confident he will.

Don Cherry has held mildly xenophobic views for years, has espoused them on his platform, and is entirely unapologetic for thinking this way. Evidently, he refuses to acknowledge how these comments and beliefs affect people. He's been on the decline for years, his employers have seemingly been trying to push him out for some time, and he finally crossed the line with what can only be described as openly discriminatory comments towards a specific segment of the population. He's not interested in changing, he's not interested in apologizing.

Trudeau has demonstrated, to at least my satisfaction, that he has evolved and grown, empathizing the diverse standpoints of many different Canadians. Don Cherry of 2019 is the Don Cherry of 1982, and unfortunately a lot has changed in 37 years. This is as close to literal case of the straw breaking the camel's back. This has been a long time coming, but finally he has said something so incompatible with society he needs to atone for it...for all of it, really. And I say this as a guy that kind of likes Don Cherry and certainly appreciates what he has done for the game of hockey and our service people.

Comparing this to Trudeau and calling Canadians hypocrites in reference to this comparison is disingenuous and flat out wrong.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He's got a point. It's a fact that a large portion of Canadians voted in the Black Face PM (that also grabs female buts when he's under the impression that they are just pretty faces not working in the media) which does not reflect well on the nation...

All these deflections back to reprehensible behaviours by the PM or Chris Brown album sales are classic tu quoque fallacies.

Don Cherry was wrong and was reprimanded for it. This string of events has nothing to do with Trudeau and the people who voted Liberal last month.

[Sylvanfan]

I remember an artical in SI some 25 plus years ago back when I was in highschool where Cherry said he would go down one day. That day finally came.

[V]

Does anyone have an 80-something year old grandpa that wouldn’t be torn apart by today’s outrage culture? There was no question this was how it was going to end with Cherry. I don’t know who’s more culpable, SN or Cherry.

[FlamesAddiction]

If anyone else said these things, there wouldn't even be a debate. Could you imagine if Ron MacLean, Elliot Friedman, Cassie Campbell or Eric Francis did "You people come here..." rant? No one would be defending them.

[Wedge]

As upsetting to some as Cherry's comments are, what if what he said is true? Is he still a bad guy if what he said is true? Yes, I get it, a person can't say such things. How dare they!

I live in Vancouver and was out this morning (between 8:40 and 10:30) and did a completely objective (but obviously not at all scientifically or statistically representative) visual survey. I did not include runners, cyclists, or babies. Five people out of 282 were wearing poppies … three "white" men and two "white" women. Roughly a quarter of the people I saw were "white". I was disgusted by the primary conclusion to be made, that being how few people in general were without a poppy. Again, I get that this is hardly something to draw any thought changing conclusion from.

In Cherry's comments I believe he did say in downtown Toronto "nobody" wears a poppy. Such ignorance seems to exist here in Vancouver as well.

I obviously don't usually (as in never) look at such things, and only did because of the backlash.

I attended an 11 o' clock Remembrance Day service at the closest cemetery/cenotaph and predictably the numbers were far different with over 90% in attendance wearing a poppy. There was however only one South Asian family there, one East Asian family there and one "African-Canadian" family there, and the rest being of some sort of European decent.

Just sayin ...

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ya ok, you broke the board rules. If I had posted that I would be in the sin bin forever. Let's see if everyone is treated equally on here.

You people are overly sensitive

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ya ok, you broke the board rules. If I had posted that I would be in the sin bin forever. Let's see if everyone is treated equally on here.

Not only am I surprised that "swearing" using words not blocked by the profanity filter is against the rules (is it?), I'm also surprised you're actively hoping someone gets suspended for... "swearing."

I swear all the time and just count on the profanity filter to catch them.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by V

Does anyone have an 80-something year old grandpa that wouldn’t be torn apart by today’s outrage culture? There was no question this was how it was going to end with Cherry. I don’t know who’s more culpable, SN or Cherry.

If the rumours are true Sportsnet knew this and was trying to get him out this past summer (if not sooner) while Cherry did everything he could to stay on, and then this happened.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

If I know anything about Don Cherry, we're about to see a colourful and ridiculous suit.

Yes, I too saw the top comment on the Reddit thread.

[Geeoff]

Don Cherry has always been a xenophobe. Why is this the one that has people outraged?

It's literally his gimmick that he loves Canadians and hates everyone else...

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If anyone else said these things, there wouldn't even be a debate. Could you imagine if Ron MacLean, Elliot Friedman, Cassie Campbell or Eric Francis did "You people come here..." rant? No one would be defending them.

lol, you seriously don't believe this, do you?

The very same people defending Cherry would be defending any of them too. Many for the same incorrect reasons.

[curmudgeon]

How appropriate that the rectal orrificies at Sportsnet chose Remembrance Day to fire Don Cherry! On top of that, their VERY brief article on Sportsnet website was very conveniently closed to comments.

I am afraid that all decency and common sense which most of Canadians are known for has completely gone out the window. Most people nowadays are more concerned with Political Correctness than actually comprehending what the comments tha Grapes made were really about(that is if most of you even remember English Comprehension that you were supposed to have taken in school).

Cherry was NOT TALKING about ALL immigrants, especially those who have been Canadians for generations, and their forefathers fought for and died for Canada. No, he was talking about recent refugees even mentioning Markham and the greater Toronto area where the vast majority of these recent immigrants are esconsed in hotel rooms at taxpayers expense! Sportsnet has been looking for an excuse to get rid of Cherry, since they took over HNIC broadcasts. So to those detractors of Cherry, you finally got your wish.

Our Canadian Constitution anc Charter of Rights guarantees Freedom of Speech and Expression which is what Grapes was doing! I never got a subscription to Sportsnet, too damnned expensive. My own personal protest will be however, never to watch HNIC again or to listen to 960 the fan broadcasts of the Flames ever again, and I hope that others will do the same.

Ron Mclean you showed your true colours I hope Cherry cuts you off his great number of friends! As for Sportsnet and all the Politically Correct, do a physical impossibility with yourselves, engage your brain before putting your mouths in gear, and use your head for something other than a resting place for a couple of ears!!

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Don Cherry has always been a xenophobe. Why is this the one that has people outraged?

It's literally his gimmick that he loves Canadians and hates everyone else...

Umm, you realize his comment was directed Canadians, right? And specific ones?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Wedge

As upsetting to some as Cherry's comments are, what if what he said is true? Is he still a bad guy if what he said is true? Yes, I get it, a person can't say such things. How dare they!

I live in Vancouver and was out this morning (between 8:40 and 10:30) and did a completely objective (but obviously not at all scientifically or statistically representative) visual survey. I did not include runners, cyclists, or babies. Five people out of 282 were wearing poppies … three "white" men and two "white" women. Roughly a quarter of the people I saw were "white". I was disgusted by the primary conclusion to be made, that being how few people in general were without a poppy. Again, I get that this is hardly something to draw any thought changing conclusion from.

There is nothing "objective" about this survey. How on earth are these results to be interpreted?

In Cherry's comments I believe he did say in downtown Toronto "nobody" wears a poppy. Such ignorance seems to exist here in Vancouver as well.

I obviously don't usually (as in never) look at such things, and only did because of the backlash.

I attended an 11 o' clock Remembrance Day service at the closest cemetery/cenotaph and predictably the numbers were far different with over 90% in attendance wearing a poppy. There was however only one South Asian family there, one East Asian family there and one "African-Canadian" family there, and the rest being of some sort of European decent.

Just sayin ...

What? What exactly are you "just sayin'"?

Whatever it is, it looks bad on the outset.

[Spinach]

Originally Posted by curmudgeon

How appropriate that the rectal orrificies at Sportsnet chose Remembrance Day to fire Don Cherry! On top of that, their VERY brief article on Sportsnet website was very conveniently closed to comments.

I am afraid that all decency and common sense which most of Canadians are known for has completely gone out the window. Most people nowadays are more concerned with Political Correctness than actually comprehending what the comments tha Grapes made were really about(that is if most of you even remember English Comprehension that you were supposed to have taken in school).

Cherry was NOT TALKING about ALL immigrants, especially those who have been Canadians for generations, and their forefathers fought for and died for Canada. No, he was talking about recent refugees even mentioning Markham and the greater Toronto area where the vast majority of these recent immigrants are esconsed in hotel rooms at taxpayers expense! Sportsnet has been looking for an excuse to get rid of Cherry, since they took over HNIC broadcasts. So to those detractors of Cherry, you finally got your wish.

Our Canadian Constitution anc Charter of Rights guarantees Freedom of Speech and Expression which is what Grapes was doing! I never got a subscription to Sportsnet, too damnned expensive. My own personal protest will be however, never to watch HNIC again or to listen to 960 the fan broadcasts of the Flames ever again, and I hope that others will do the same.

Ron Mclean you showed your true colours I hope Cherry cuts you off his great number of friends! As for Sportsnet and all the Politically Correct, do a physical impossibility with yourselves, engage your brain before putting your mouths in gear, and use your head for something other than a resting place for a couple of ears!!

I'm not sure whether this is satire. If not, you obviously don't know what "freedom of speech" really is.

[Resolute 14]

The fun thing to think about is that if he had attacked millennials instead of "those people", he'd still have a job today.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by curmudgeon

How appropriate that the rectal orrificies at Sportsnet chose Remembrance Day to fire Don Cherry! On top of that, their VERY brief article on Sportsnet website was very conveniently closed to comments.

I am afraid that all decency and common sense which most of Canadians are known for has completely gone out the window. Most people nowadays are more concerned with Political Correctness than actually comprehending what the comments tha Grapes made were really about(that is if most of you even remember English Comprehension that you were supposed to have taken in school).

Cherry was NOT TALKING about ALL immigrants, especially those who have been Canadians for generations, and their forefathers fought for and died for Canada. No, he was talking about recent refugees even mentioning Markham and the greater Toronto area where the vast majority of these recent immigrants are esconsed in hotel rooms at taxpayers expense! Sportsnet has been looking for an excuse to get rid of Cherry, since they took over HNIC broadcasts. So to those detractors of Cherry, you finally got your wish.

Our Canadian Constitution anc Charter of Rights guarantees Freedom of Speech and Expression which is what Grapes was doing! I never got a subscription to Sportsnet, too damnned expensive. My own personal protest will be however, never to watch HNIC again or to listen to 960 the fan broadcasts of the Flames ever again, and I hope that others will do the same.

Ron Mclean you showed your true colours I hope Cherry cuts you off his great number of friends! As for Sportsnet and all the Politically Correct, do a physical impossibility with yourselves, engage your brain before putting your mouths in gear, and use your head for something other than a resting place for a couple of ears!!

Nobody has infringed on Cherry’s freedom of speech. He can create a reddit account, his own blog, a YouTube channel, stand on a street corner etc. And say whatever he wants. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Furthermore, the Charter does not apply to private corporations like Sportsnet.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Yes, I too saw the top comment on the Reddit thread.

People say You must have been the class clown. And I say, No, I wasn't. But I sat next to the class clown, and I studied him.